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Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez on Amazon's 3 Billion Dollar Tax Break

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posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Making myself wealthy will only help me.

You really think this is about jealousy? Couldn't possibly be the systemic and generational class-warfare being waged against everyone making less than twice the median household income, no, has to be jealousy.


It’s ‘warfare’ being waged against the working class.

Ok.




posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese
Not as confusing as the word "if", it seems.


I think you are the one confused - New York was not GIVING $3 billion to Amazon - it was a discount on their taxes. What it was doing by giving this discount is bringing in more tax dollars to pay for the subway and teachers.

The statement clearly shows she is an idiot, that she is dumber than 80% of the population, and is in no way fit to be in congress.


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posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: StoutBroux

originally posted by: tabularosa
$3 billion in tax breaks is $3 billion less in revenue for governmental bodies. Why does Amazon need a break? It does not. Period. Not to mention that Amazon paid no federal taxes for $11.2 profits in 2018; rather, it got a tax rebate of $129 million. And for all of you who are okay with this, do you enjoy having to shoulder an even greater burden so Bezos and ilk can add more zeroes to their net worth? Personally, I would rather not. I'm sick of the wealthy taking everything for themselves.


Why is everyone so stuck on the "loss" of 3 billion?? Flip that coin over. New York LOST 25,000 jobs on Long Island, another 15,000 jobs totaling 40,000 jobs in the state of New York and BILLLLLLIONS in revenue. Much much more than the "loss" of a 3B enticement that was spread out over years. Who cares if Amazon or big corporation gets a break?

Because NOW, no break for Amazon from New York, uh, ok. No biggie for Amazon. But the major impact is NO break for New York and the surrounding areas either. Who do you think got hurt here? All business works best if you scratch my back and I scratch yours.

Here's the big picture question that should be pondered: Who REALLY lost here????


You cannot lose something you never had. Good lord how are people so stupid.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Making myself wealthy will only help me.

You really think this is about jealousy? Couldn't possibly be the systemic and generational class-warfare being waged against everyone making less than twice the median household income, no, has to be jealousy.


Wow LOL been on ATS a long time and have rarely seen such overblown biased hyperbole. You do realize where and when this man started Amazon. You make it sound like this is East india trading or something for the 1500"s LOL. No regardless who what where Amazon is now, he came from nothing but a silly dream of selling books on the internet seeing the potential in this new medium basically in the 1990s!!!!!. Pretty much along with a number of other startup companies that absolutely destroy your notion of class warfare as these were all mostly young middle to lower class persons who parlayed their ideas, hard work, and innovation into thriving businesses that employed hundreds of thousands. Achieving something that is damn near impossible in any other system and certainly in one's filled with the smothering oppressive dogma of socialism. Sure we still have our old money and companies but American capitalism's shining examples are these new kids on the block from the 80's.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

What’s the smothering oppressive dogma of socialism again?



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: putnam6

What’s the smothering oppressive dogma of socialism again?


Undiversified distribution of money and values ?

😳



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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How so?



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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stumped ?



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: putnam6

What’s the smothering oppressive dogma of socialism again?


Undiversified distribution of money and values, exactly. A system instead of lifting up and rewarding independent innovation and business achievement of the few, it wallows in the mediocrity of the masses, there's no incentive for high standards, just make sure everybody has the same crap that everybody else has. LOL look at Bill Gates the man has not only made loads of people millionaires from his partners to stockholders employing thousands, but the guy is also now donating working on making the whole world better. He doesn't even exist in your socialistic society, his contributions would be stifled.

There is still a modicum of self-determination in a capitalistic society, products are better, service is better because society demands it or it fails.

I'll end with this as it is telling about socialism in a nutshell but we are getting off topic..

www.reference.com... list-democratic-socialist-countries-9984c4803ba6d172

Countries that actually refer to themselves in some way as social democracies or democratic socialist nations in their respective constitutions include Bangladesh, India, North Korea, Portugal, Sri Lanka and Tanzania. Noticeably absent from the list are European nations that are traditionally considered the models of democratic socialist countries. This may be because democratic socialism is more of an ideal than a specific practice.

The idea of a country with happy, harmonious people and strong government support for widespread prosperity as outlined by the Democratic Socialists of America is best exemplified through nations such as Sweden and France. However, the organization acknowledges that democratic socialism as the imagined ideal has not yet been implemented by any nation. In this regard, the ideal of democratic socialism and the reality of democratic socialism are not always in agreement. North Korea, which calls itself a democratic socialist nation has been sanctioned by the United Nations for human rights violations. It is also one of the poorest countries in the world. India also struggles with poverty and a soaring population. Because the nations that have labeled themselves as socialist democracies have yet to see success as such, a mental designation has been assigned to those nations that most closely serve as models of the ideal of what believers in democratic socialism believe it can be when properly implemented.
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posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 07:49 PM
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And that may be those governments, but they don’t resemble what’s described by Marx or Trotsky. The current narrative is that in socialism everyone gets paid the same, and businesses don’t operate for profit. This is false. Most of the greatest innovations in the us were created under socialist format, ie funded by taxpayer dollars. From the internet to every piece of the iPhone, to computers and meds. But the profit from their sale is then privatized. So basically socialism created the stuff but capitalism skyrockets the cost and cuts the public out of the profits of the technologies and innovations they paid to create.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 07:53 PM
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but they don’t resemble what’s described by Marx or Trotsky.


Oh my gawd! How many times have we heard THAT one!...."if only we applied socialism the way it SHOULD be applied, blah blah blah blah blah.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 08:07 PM
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My point. People point at socialism and describe something else. Socialism at its core is about removing economic rent. That means disincetivising monopolies, oligarchies, market manipulation, inflated rents and interest. That’s it. Any of those systems do that? Our system massively incentivizes those very things.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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It’s funny because socialism was originally created to get rid of the “free lunch” ie people making money off work other people do. But the current narrative is that socialism is a free lunch, and living off other people’s profit is what one should aspire to.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
It’s funny because socialism was originally created to get rid of the “free lunch” ie people making money off work other people do. But the current narrative is that socialism is a free lunch, and living off other people’s profit is what one should aspire to.


Who said that ?

Sounds like the Red Herring of the Millennium 😀



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 08:19 PM
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Well for one, Trotsky’s godson, Michael hedges. And he’s the foremost expert on it at the moment. As well as being economics professor at Minnesota and Beijing, and having worked for Citigroup, Sachs, and the governments of the us, Canada, China, and others.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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Hudson. Michael Hudson. Damn autocorrect.



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
Well for one, Trotsky’s godson, Michael hedges. And he’s the foremost expert on it at the moment. As well as being economics professor at Minnesota and Beijing, and having worked for Citigroup, Sachs, and the governments of the us, Canada, China, and others.


Sources ?

Any ?

Reliable Zourzes ?

😎



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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He’s written plenty books too, and has plenty debates and talks on YouTube



posted on Feb, 16 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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And here’s yanis varoufakis on amazon and taxes.





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