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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: Masterjaden
I keep hearing this argument from leftists and it is one of the most asinine arguments I've ever heard.
It goes something like this. There is no crisis at the border, crime and illegal immigration is down from a few years ago.
How stupid do you have to be to make this argument? This argument is akin to saying "My house is flooded 4 feet deep, but it's not an emergency because six years ago it flooded 6 feet deep".
How can someone be so idiotic as to make that argument.
Just because everyone has been willing to wade through the 6 feet of water in the past and ignore that it is a crisis does NOT mean that the 4 feet of flooding now is NOT STILL a CRISIS....
Jaden
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originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
I didn't say it negates it.
I said a wall wouldn't so much to stop the majority of the issue.
So what should be done about the majority of the problem?
Everyone just glosses over that
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
That's my issue
None of you seem to care much about the visa overstays and drugs at the ports.
You're all focused on the drugs and disease at the border cause daddy trump told you to.
It's all good man.
I don't agree with most of you and likely will not change my mind.
originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
If the border cities don't think it's a crisis, why should I?
Hell, those cities rely on illegal immigrants on an economic level. Those cities have already spoken out against the current actions of adding more razor wire.
The city of Laredo Texas has successfully forced the removal of razor wire that was just installed. The city of El Paso, Texas has done the same and railed against trump's proposed wall expansion.
Ranchers on the border rely on illegal immigrants, so even own ranches large enough that their property is on both sides of the border. They don't want a wall cutting them off from their land.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
And since both apparently can't be funded why not put the money into where the majority of the problem is?
Cause it's not what trump says
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Sookiechacha
An intelligent person would read that and think, "He could take his time and build the wall slowly without declaring an emergency, but since this is an emergency he will get it done as soon as possible."
A democrat would read that and think.... never mind. That won't happen.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
That's my issue
None of you seem to care much about the visa overstays and drugs at the ports.
You're all focused on the drugs and disease at the border cause daddy trump told you to.
It's all good man.
I don't agree with most of you and likely will not change my mind.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
That's my issue
None of you seem to care much about the visa overstays and drugs at the ports.
You're all focused on the drugs and disease at the border cause daddy trump told you to.
It's all good man.
I don't agree with most of you and likely will not change my mind.
The biggest problem is an unsecured border.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Sookiechacha
An intelligent person would read that and think, "He could take his time and build the wall slowly without declaring an emergency, but since this is an emergency he will get it done as soon as possible."
A democrat would read that and think.... never mind. That won't happen.
On the contrary, it takes a critical lack to parse his message that way.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
That's my issue
None of you seem to care much about the visa overstays and drugs at the ports.
You're all focused on the drugs and disease at the border cause daddy trump told you to.
It's all good man.
I don't agree with most of you and likely will not change my mind.
The biggest problem is an unsecured border.
Except the data doesn't support that, merely the President's ramblings.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Sookiechacha
An intelligent person would read that and think, "He could take his time and build the wall slowly without declaring an emergency, but since this is an emergency he will get it done as soon as possible."
A democrat would read that and think.... never mind. That won't happen.
On the contrary, it takes a critical lack to parse his message that way.
Only if you have an agenda to maintain. What he is saying is perfectly clear. "I could do it the slow way and not declare an emergency. But we need to get it done now, so, emergency it is."
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: network dude
That's my issue
None of you seem to care much about the visa overstays and drugs at the ports.
You're all focused on the drugs and disease at the border cause daddy trump told you to.
It's all good man.
I don't agree with most of you and likely will not change my mind.
The biggest problem is an unsecured border.
Except the data doesn't support that, merely the President's ramblings.
I guess that depends on what you call data and what you consider important.
I consider more than 50,000 illegals caught per month for three months in a row pretty important. That kind of shoots that bs 11 million total illegals number out of the water. IF you are willing to admit it. Honestly, over 150,000 in just three months yet the so-called studies say there are only 11 million illegals total in this country after decades of open borders. And lets not forget about chain migration. These numbers are just the initial arrests. They do not count the ones that slipped through or the chain migration afterward. And these three months in question are in the middle of 2018, years after the democrats insisted the rate of illegal immigration dropped off significantly.
50,000 per month
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Sookiechacha
An intelligent person would read that and think, "He could take his time and build the wall slowly without declaring an emergency, but since this is an emergency he will get it done as soon as possible."
A democrat would read that and think.... never mind. That won't happen.
On the contrary, it takes a critical lack to parse his message that way.
Only if you have an agenda to maintain. What he is saying is perfectly clear. "I could do it the slow way and not declare an emergency. But we need to get it done now, so, emergency it is."
It has nothing to do with agenda's. There is a clear way to get your message across, and a very unclear way. To argue that the unclear way is the one we should really be focusing on as his actual message belies the point that he can't communicate clearly and efficiently to begin with.