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This May Be One Of The Greatest, Little Known Conspiracies in History!

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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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The Pentagon riddle gets more interesting for during the period of building Eleanor Roosevelt was a member of the Order of the Eastern Star, please scroll down link below:-
mnoes.com...

Perhaps the shape of the Pentagon was right under their nose to copy, as the motif is nearly the same:-
en.wikipedia.org...
I have a lot more to write on this, but it is a start.

I wonder who really made the Parliament Building in New Zealand, the shape it is called today....the architect Basil Spence or did Sir Kieth Holyoake ask to shape it like a BEEHIVE, i don't think we will ever know!
nzhistory.govt.nz...
nzhistory.govt.nz...


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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: Astronomer62
Hi CanadianMason,
Politics and alignments of Sirius and Alnilam seem joined and fairly modern, as in 1964 with the debate in parliament regarding choosing a National Flag, the date is 15 December 1964, as shown below, the plot thickens:-
www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca...
Midnight day marker was chosen while Alnilam was culminating, graph below:-




June 15, 1964 - Debate opens;

"After prolonged, rancorous debate the issue was referred to a 15-member all-party committee...."

December 15, 1964 - Debate closes;
December 17, 1964 - Senate approval;
January 28, 1965 - Royal Assent;
February 15, 1965 - Official unfurling.

Would you suggest, then, that June 15, 1964 was deliberately chosen (by a Secret Society of Hermetic 'Court' Astrologers) as the commencement date for the flag debate because the debate would be aligned with the stars in question, thus giving 'star power' to the debaters and 'celestial influence' over the outcome of the flag's design choice?



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: Astronomer62
Link below regarding the Great Seal of Ontario, dated from 1st January 1870 from Ottawa, midnight day marker chosen with Sirius Culminating, i will get to the Great Seal of America later!

en.wikipedia.org...

Graph below:-




On the seal are the words "Dxeu ET mon DROxG". In english I think it says, 'God and my Right'. I believe this may be a reference to the concept of the 'Divine Right of Kings'. When a ruling monarch gives his or her stamp of approval (seal) it is as thought he/she 'spoke' for God.

Pope-ish-ness!

Hmmm....all roads lead to Rome......

I think you might find your Court Astrologers there.

Just a guess based on stuff I've learned over the years....I could be wrong.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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To recap:

1. You started this new thread, dubbed ‘New Hermetic Thread’, on Friday, February 15, 2019 at 14:00 GMT in London, U.K., when Alnilam rose. Did you deliberately pre-plan this, or was it a coincidence you found after the fact?

2. You showed that the U.S. State of Pennsylvania was admitted to the Union on Wednesday, December 12, 1787 at midnight LMT when Jupiter and Alnilam were culminating (a very rare alignment);

3. …that the German Worker’s Party (precursor to Nazi Party) began on Sunday, January 5, 1919 at 00:00 CET when another rare alignment occurred at location, i.e., Sirius and Jupiter culminating at Due South;

4. …that the Bavarian Soviet Republic was aligned to Jupiter and Sirius on the Nadir on Saturday, April 12, 1919 at 05:37:23 CET at the location of its Capitol in Munich, Germany. (This is when the BSR, which was established April 6, 1919, was seized by the Communist Party and Eugene Levine became its Head of State);

5. …that the Mayan Calendar was aligned on Winter Solstice, Friday, December 21, 2012 to the rising of Alnilam and Sirius and the setting of the Sun;

6. …that when the Statue of Columbia was raised above the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. on the 2nd of December, 1863, the Sun and Mercury rose while Sirius set;

7. …that the Manitoba Legislative building’s opening ceremony on July 15, 1920 took place when Alnilam, Sirius and the Sun rose;

8. …that when the foundation stone for the Circus in Bath, U.K. was layed on Wednesday, February 6, 1754, the Sun was setting while Sirius was rising;

9. …that the ‘breaking ground’ ceremony for the House of the Temple took place when the Sun was setting with Sirius on the Western Horizon on Tuesday, May 30, 1911;

10. …that Sirius rose on the Eastern Horizon on both the date for the construction of the House of the Temple on October 18, 1911 as well as on its dedication date, October 18, 1915;

11. …that the repair of the Golden Boy statue on February 9, 2002 and its re-dedication ceremony held by QEII on October 8, 2002, Sirius rose while the Sun set, and Alnilam rose respectively on those separate dates;

12. …that the Flag of Canada debate opened on December 15, 1964 when Alnilam was culminating at Due South;

13. …that the Great Seal of Ontario was adopted to use beginning on Saturday, January 1, 1870 when Sirius was culminating at Due South.



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posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: Astronomer62
I'm an astronomer or to be correct, an Archaeoastronomer, i study stuff like Maeshowe where some thought the day should start on previous sunset to Gregorian Calendar date, which wasn't even thought of then, so long ago, the Sun's rays illuminates the the entrance to the tomb on the the previous sunset, 20th December, Winter Solstice. So must be deliberate, So does Newgrange Tomb, however this is by sunrise on 21st December, many beliefs have been brought forward into modern times, thus by looking at the sky, we can allegedly spot many deliberate alignments at location even in modern times, regarding Secret Societies, Religions and Politicians who use sunrise as start of the being ancient Egyptian and Roman day start, ancient Greek day start being previous sunset, like Florentine Calendar, or modern midnight.
Links below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.youtube.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
It is probable that the oldest astrology belief techniques were called Parans or Paranatellonta listed below, don't worry it is real astronomy:-
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
An example to if i was a Hermetic astrologer, i would have started this thread at 14:00 in London, UK, which is where i live, i didn't do that, it's over an hour later but if i had done this then Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star would be rising along the horizon in the East at location, astronomy graph below, on next post i will be back soon to continue!

Hi Canadianmason,
You do have to be careful about MISQUOTE!!!
I see a number of this, you must be careful especially point one, i didn't start this thread aligned to the stars, but told how this could be done!!!!
www.dictionary.com...
I have visitors today so i may have to leave thread sections til tomorrow!



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 08:15 AM
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I have a question.

I'm not well versed in Ancient Astrology. But anyways, I stumbled a cross a mindset that the in the deep past, the Sun rose in the west.

Have you found any supporting evidence to support this idea.

The only information I could find is the following.


Harakhte is the Egyptian name for the western sun ... "Harakhte, he riseth in the west." The texts found in the pyramids say that the luminary "ceased to live in the Occident, and shines,a new one, in the orient." After the reversal of direction, whenever it may have occurred, the words "west" and "sunrise"were no longer synonyms, and it was necessary to clarify references by adding: "the west which is at the sun-setting."



In the tomb of Senmut, the architect of Queen Hatshepsut, a panel on the ceiling shows the celestial sphere with the signs of the zodiac and other constellations in "a reversed orientation" of the southern sky.


The Sun rose in the west? Egyptian evidence?

I know it may sound odd, but their may be physical evidence for this occurrence.

Thanks in advance...
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posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
I have a question.

I'm not well versed in Ancient Astrology. But anyways, I stumbled a cross a mindset that the in the deep past, the Sun rose in the west.

Have you found any supporting evidence to support this idea.

The only information I could find is the following.


Harakhte is the Egyptian name for the western sun ... "Harakhte, he riseth in the west." The texts found in the pyramids say that the luminary "ceased to live in the Occident, and shines,a new one, in the orient." After the reversal of direction, whenever it may have occurred, the words "west" and "sunrise"were no longer synonyms, and it was necessary to clarify references by adding: "the west which is at the sun-setting."



In the tomb of Senmut, the architect of Queen Hatshepsut, a panel on the ceiling shows the celestial sphere with the signs of the zodiac and other constellations in "a reversed orientation" of the southern sky.


The Sun rose in the west? Egyptian evidence?

I know it may sound odd, but their may be physical evidence for this occurrence.

Thanks in advance...


Hi all seeing eye,
I see no geological evidence of the flipping of Earth's rotation for as long as humans have been around, i'm not saying that poles haven't been effected by electro-magnetic disturbance, however for the Earth to completely turn over, which would be needed for the Sun to appear to rise in the West, would leave considerable geological scars on the landscape, due to gravity stress with a spinning planet and reversal, i would be surprised if any life would survive an event like what you mentioned.



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 03:04 PM
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Hi CanadianMason,
I'm busy this week-end but will try to clear up all your questions as soon as possible before moving on to new material, i did leave a test regarding Richard Hoagland, i don't have any interest in him, other than by chance he studies the involvement of Sirius and Alnilam. He makes claims that NASA align take off times to the stars but not in a way an experienced astrologer would deliberately do this using ancient parans, he wanders in the dark looking at how many degrees with each of these stars are above the horizon, no real astrologers would be bothered. They look to the Rising Angle being horizon in the East, called ascendant:-
en.wikipedia.org...
Or Mid-heaven, Medium Coeli/culminating angle:-
www.alwaysastrology.com...
The two other angles are the Western Horizon, Descendant and the I.C. or Nadir.
www.skyscript.co.uk...
I have found no deliberate star alignments regarding NASA, and Hoagland looks for stars that are 33 degrees or 19 degrees above horizon, in all history astrologers have never used his strange method, so have no idea what he is talking about.



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 04:44 PM
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Hi CM,
Sadly i don't think Z77ZABCD or Blaqhaze137 write here anymore, approx 5 thread sections down a "monk quote" was mentioned, which was an avatar i have used on other forums as you know.
However with this forum i only joined a few months ago, so they must have been reading about my work else where but what was interesting with this link was they were both astrologers, and by reading it they gave me something i had missed, about date when America entered the First World War, the alignment was Sunrise while Sirius was on the I.C, or Nadir, although they made a mistake saying Sirius was Culminating, it is rare that i miss something regarding history.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I wonder if we can contact them now!


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posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 07:04 PM
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Once again, I have failed to quote you properly. For that, please forgive me for my oversight. It wasn't intentional; it was due to my skimming quickly back over your posts to formulate a workable recap. I see my error now, and thanks for pointing it out. For readers, here is what Astronomer62 originally wrote:



An example to if i was a Hermetic astrologer, i would have started this thread at 14:00 in London, UK, which is where i live, i didn't do that, it's over an hour later but if i had done this then Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star would be rising along the horizon in the East at location....


I will aim towards being more rigouress. This is not an easy subject for me. I am trying to wrap my brain around it so that, eventually, I might apply my philosophical training to its analysis somehow. So far, I haven't been able even to formulate intelligent questions with regard to your research, however, I am beginning to 'see' the outline of your theory or thesis. I just wish you would state it clearly. That's not criticism, that's perhaps my inability to comprehend what your thesis might be. Please, kindly, dumb it down!



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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I don't know if they can be contacted but what do you make of this from one of the posters on that thread?



Financial markets tend to follow cycles, they have be known for a millenia. There is actually a society out there that follows the cycles of financial markets. What is interesting is those in astrology have now combined the two in an attempt to make future predictions of markets and their movements.
Link

Is it true?



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 07:45 PM
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posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: Astronomer62


I didn't mention it, the Egyptians did. In as far as the Scaring, it, is there. And yes, I agree much of the land based life would be destroyed, In Biblical proportions. Hmmm, makes me wonder..

Why, if you were to stop the planetary rotation fast enough, the ocean's water would continue for some time. Over washing the continents. Then start spinning the planet in the opposite direction causing the water to revers direction, again.



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 10:32 PM
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Astro, would you be so kind as to make corrections to my humble attempt to recap what you have shown us so far? I am a Neophyte here struggling to understand. Thank you in advance.

P.S. What are you trying to communicate to us exactly?



posted on Mar, 3 2019 @ 07:07 AM
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originally posted by: CanadianMason

originally posted by: Astronomer62
Link below regarding the Great Seal of Ontario, dated from 1st January 1870 from Ottawa, midnight day marker chosen with Sirius Culminating, i will get to the Great Seal of America later!

en.wikipedia.org...

Graph below:-




On the seal are the words "Dxeu ET mon DROxG". In english I think it says, 'God and my Right'. I believe this may be a reference to the concept of the 'Divine Right of Kings'. When a ruling monarch gives his or her stamp of approval (seal) it is as thought he/she 'spoke' for God.

Pope-ish-ness!

Hmmm....all roads lead to Rome......

I think you might find your Court Astrologers there.

Just a guess based on stuff I've learned over the years....I could be wrong.


The Queen of England is responsible for the Seal of Canada, all Governor Generals become Knight Hospitallers, which was approved by Queen Victoria.
Most of masonic groups are excommunicated by the Vatican, so i feel protestant groups have much more influence in Canada.
I feel that you have made a Freudian slip, by blaming all on the Vatican who does use Sirius and Alnilam, but so do many other groups, i have no idea if your father was Catholic, but he belonged to the Knights of Columbus which was aligned to the stars.
The Queen would have approved the coin below as her head is on the other side, i wonder why this Australian Millennium silver dollar would show Sirius and obelisks....which has nothing to do with Australian culture?



posted on Mar, 3 2019 @ 07:39 AM
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Canada would have been called "New France" today if James Wolfe hadn't won the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, he is probably a Canadian hero for some, yet probably not for the City of Quebec!
en.wikipedia.org...
This Battle changed Canadian History like no other event. It started on 13th September 1759, Using midnight day marker,
Alnilam was rising at location, if James Wolfe had chosen any other day, he might have lost, so belief in the stars can change history.




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posted on Mar, 3 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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Hi CanadianMason,
The points to my thesis are below:-
A) The odds of the alignments i'm finding could only happen on average less than twice in a month in any location.
so the odds are mostly intentional that apply to an important event.
B) It makes it very difficult to find what group or groups do align to the stars, i have featured a lot of alignments in a cluster regarding The Manitoba Legislative building, which is beyond chance so for this we can write down the groups or group we feel were responsible, so my take is the architect, political masons, the Monarch and Knights Hospitaller Governor Generals or some other secret society that i can't find, but these people are all in political circles and effect the political map of the world.
The Statue of Queen Victoria sits outside the Manitoba Legislative Building, it was unveiled on 1st October 1904, info below:-
www.mhs.mb.ca...
As Sun rises on date and location, Sirius was culminating at Due South



posted on Mar, 3 2019 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

skepdic.com...
Thank you CM. Never heard of him.

Though going over what you shared, some logic came to the surface.


Velikovsky is certainly ingenious. His explanations of parallels among ancient myths are very entertaining, interesting and apparently plausible. His explanation of universal collective amnesia of these worlds in collision is highly amusing and equally improbable. Imagine we're on earth 3,500 years ago when an object about the same size as our planet is coming at us from outer space! It whacks us a couple of times, spins our planet around so that its rotation stops and starts again, creates great heat and upheavals from within the planet and yet the most anyone can remember about these catastrophes are things like "....and the sun stood still" [Joshua 10: 12-13] and other stories of darkness, storms, upheavals, plagues, floods, snakes and bulls in the sky, etc. No one in ancient times mentions an object the size of earth colliding with us. You'd think someone amongst these ancient peoples, who all loved to tell stories, would have told their grandchildren about it. Someone would have passed it on. But no one on earth seems to remember such an event.


Well, many cultures around the world do have flood myths of one type or another. Virtually no one has any record of what actually happened. Except, for Enki himself, who detailed the event using a scribe. And Enki himself tells us some things will be kept secret. And their is little doubt that those secrets were not shared with mankind, before the flood.

Why no mass memories? For one, anyone who might have seen the "event" with their own eyes, were killed outright by the devastation, therefor not able to share the experience. And two, those that survived were not educated to a level sufficient to explain and translate the event. Or, were given false explanations as to what happened.

What would it look like for a "Celestial" object approaching the earth? Making contact? Stopping the planets rotation?
For one, any body that size would start to blot out the Sun, on the side of its approach. If it were do it on the night side, who would see? On the day side, it would appear as though the Sun Stood still. Is there a record of that?

Undoubtedly, a body of such size entering our atmosphere would cause great cloud formations, storms that would travel around the globe. Rain! Who could see through clouds, at night? Or storms, that lasted for 40 days, what ever a day was during such a period.

It is not logical to assume a planet spit out another planet, but it is logical to assume, a planet spit out a construct. A construct that could operate on secret knowledge, technology...

Our oceans past were not known prior to WWII. They held their secrets a very long time. No one prior to that were able to extrapolate the evidence, for they were not able to, SEE. And that is the basis of Science!

Again, thank you CM...



posted on Mar, 3 2019 @ 06:51 PM
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The Queen of England is responsible for the Seal of Canada, all Governor Generals become Knight Hospitallers, which was approved by Queen Victoria.


You're not joking, are you?

No, you're not!

This, from the actual Canadian Governor General's, Julie Payette's website:



Established in 1888 by Queen Victoria, the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem is a working order of charitably minded men and women whose philanthropy is expressed principally through its two foundations, the St. John Eye Hospital in Jerusalem and St. John Ambulance. The Order traces its origins to the Knights Hospitaller, of the Crusades, who served the Abbey of St. Mary’s small hospital for sick pilgrims in Jerusalem in the 12th century. The Order was brought into the Canadian Honours System in 1990. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is the Order’s Sovereign.
Link

Okay, Astro. BOOM!

You went done made a 'boom' here!



Let me try to follow the logic....

QEII is Head Sovereign of a Catholic Order of Knights that requires Her Majesty's Obedience to the Pope of Rome.

In principle, Freemasonry serves the Queen.

The Queen serves the Pope.

Freemasons serve the Pope by proxy.

Are you SIRIUS??!!

Forgive me...I'm having a bit of a meltdown.......


...and, yes, my biological father was a Roman Catholic and 4th degree Knight of Columbus. My stepdad, on the other hand is Anglican and a Freemason who is also becoming the Master of his Lodge in May, and is also a member of the York Rite.

It appears that the Roman Catholic Church is the 'Octopus's Head'. Its tentacles are many and far reaching.....

!!!!






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posted on Mar, 3 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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...i wonder why this Australian Millennium silver dollar would show Sirius and obelisks....which has nothing to do with Australian culture?


Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Planet Earth is a Belt of Orion space colony, colonized long ago by aliens who come from there.

Popes and Monarchies, particularly the British Monarchy, are today's historical hierarchical line of successive 'custodians' that rule the planet for these Aliens through large and small 'satellite' groups, like 'secret societies', spiritual and military Orders, corporations, banks, governments, etc......

Good Lord, what the...?

I...




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