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Trump declares national emergency over wall

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posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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Chris Wallace (Fox News) is against keeping Americans as safe as possible from border threats.

A very telling, brief clip: twitter.com...

What many younger people don't realize, is that Chris Wallace is the son of Liberal journalist Mike Wallace, of CBS News. Chris was raised in a liberal family environment.




posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

lol, no need. You won't need an ounce of imminent domain. They'll sell that land to you for pennies on the dollar in a few years. You finish the wall all around these stubborn people's property and when they have drugs and guns flowing through their property at a massive rate, they'll beg the government to build the wall.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: mtnshredder

I am not sure if I should laugh or cry about the response, but here goes:

This issue, the undocumented or illegal immigrant, this is not a new issue, it has been around since the end of World War II. And the political parties, well they both flip on this issue time and time again. At one time it was the Democrats, and then it went to the Republicans, and back to the Democrats. Neither one has ever had a strong anti immigrant policy that goes back years and years.

And both parties, the politicians, are simply commodities, that are sold at an auction to the highest bidder at the time to present a message to get people like myself and you to vote for them. Make no mistake, if the democratic base were to say anti immigrant, and the money said such, the democrats would be in favor, and the Republicans would then be against such. Politicians are, if anything, predictable on those issues, and how they play out in congress.

However, the last thing you want is a National emergency declared on a national hot button topic, as it opens up a dangerous door for the other party to use, and making it a far worse crisis.

So as you seem to think that this is such a good idea, then if say the government decides that your land, or say that of your churchs is needed, that it would be alright to let them have it? That perhaps the time of a species has come and it could go extinct?

I mean I am sure we won't miss parts of the country ceded to Mexico.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 11:29 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Actually I am thinking of the abuse that both political parties tend to do, when they get the upper hand.

IN short one side will do something find it ok, and then once they are in the minority, the other side tends to do the same thing, exploiting it for their own purpose.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 01:53 AM
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New York Times: "Trump's Border Reforms are WORKING"

Article: www.breitbart.com...



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 02:10 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
But but but trump caved!

The news said he caved!


He did! Then the actual government that knows what's going on took over, he was just unable to do the thing by himself so they will "fix" things

It is so obvious *eye roll*



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:36 AM
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originally posted by: fencesitter85
The failed negotiator, going for the nuclear option due to his inability to make a deal.

Talk about setting a dangerous precedent. But hey, you're all happy for him to have free reign regardless of the constitution. Good luck.


Wait a minute--I thought we got rid of Obama back in '16? Did I dream that? Oh wait. You mean this kind of thing was ok for Obama, just not for Trump. Gotcha.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
New York Times: "Trump's Border Reforms are WORKING"

Article: www.breitbart.com...


Wow, did hell freeze over? I thought that was geese flying north I heard earlier, but maybe it was actually flying pigs!



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:46 AM
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originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: mtnshredder

I am not sure if I should laugh or cry about the response, but here goes:

This issue, the undocumented or illegal immigrant, this is not a new issue, it has been around since the end of World War II. And the political parties, well they both flip on this issue time and time again. At one time it was the Democrats, and then it went to the Republicans, and back to the Democrats. Neither one has ever had a strong anti immigrant policy that goes back years and years.


The problem now is the Cartels. And terrorism. illegal immigrants are good and/or bad for the economy depending on who you ask.

But the Cartels are just plain getting too powerful, and soon they will be able to leverage their control over our safety against terrorism.

If they control who gets across that border, they control whether terrorists get across. Illegal workers often go through a port of entry, but terrorists have to be careful about that. (At a minimum we know when they go through a proper checkpoint.)

If a cartel helps them cross, they can get in completely undetected. The NSA won't even have them under observation at all.



However, the last thing you want is a National emergency declared on a national hot button topic, as it opens up a dangerous door for the other party to use, and making it a far worse crisis.



I wish they would frame it better.

Instead of trying to sell us on being afraid of some random rapist walking the neighborhood, acting alone. They should point out the real issue.


But, I suspect they're being careful not to discuss Cartel influence too openly, because right now we haven't classified them as a terrorists organization yet. (If we did, they'd probably escort a terrorists across right away just to teach us a lesson.)



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Except in this case, it's not an abuse. An abuse is the absolute inability of congress to secure the border. Remember, they promised the country a secure border in 1986. Instead they didn't secure the border and just granted amnesty which worsened the problem. We the people (on both sides) have been demanding this for nearly 30 years. Both parties have a vested interest in keeping our borders open, dems want dependent voters, republicans want the cheap labor. Americans want legal immigrants only.

Now, we can disagree on how to best do that, but at the end of the day, we both want the same thing don't we? Non-slave immigrants. Less human trafficking. Less illicit drugs. We can all get behind those things, right? This national emergency will solve that, once and for all. Trump isn't only talking about a wall, he's talking about a comprehensive solution. It's a very recent development that dems have decided they want no immigration enforcement and an extremely unpopular position.

Had obama declared this national emergency and secured the border I would praise him. This is an emergency. Healthcare is not an emergency and would not be able to be solved by building something. Gun control is not an emergency and would not be able to be solved by building something. Therefore, the scare cases used by the left prove out that this power is not being expanded.
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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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Hip hip!

Three cheers for the President, for doing what needed done. For bypassing and making irrelevant our broken and spineless congress of cowards (C.O.C.).

Ineffective, spineless, worthless, useless, sub-human, petty cowards.

Now, shut these animal gang members and other foreign invaders out of this country. And arrest their garbage-people socialist conspirators trying to aid and abet the violation of federal law.
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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

For Trump and his movement, they (news media and free press) are "enemy of the people." This is a fundamental principle of authoritarianism. "Trumpism and the American right have birthed a type of new McCarthyism and anti-intellectualism in America."

Source: www.alternet.org...



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: JBurns

For Trump and his movement, they (news media and free press) are "enemy of the people." This is a fundamental principle of authoritarianism. "Trumpism and the American right have birthed a type of new McCarthyism and anti-intellectualism in America."

Source: www.alternet.org...


almost all media is left wing. look up their voting registrations for verification.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Sillyolme

We still got that impeachment bet right?

What was it like 1k if he does/doesn't get impeached.

Imminent still right?

All that russian collusion I believe it was.


He'll never be impeached b/c the dems fear Pence becoming pres. It'd be like Cheney as pres.

They'll instead just try to waste his time with hearings and stuff like the GOP did to Hillary when she was secretary of state, and you'll probably see a correlation between how partisan he is and McConnell is and how often the house attacks the pres.
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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 06:14 PM
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Sources say the Mexican Cartels are concerned about how new walls will affect "Climb-it" changes 😎

Sources also say Cartels are confident that Democrat payees will find a "solution" through mitigation 😎



posted on Feb, 21 2019 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Sources say the Mexican Cartels are concerned about how new walls will affect "Climb-it" changes 😎

Sources also say Cartels are confident that Democrat payees will find a "solution" through mitigation 😎



"sources"

Sources! everyone!

"sources!!...

Damn sources and their damn violence and way to think!


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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Here is the problem with your argument, this problem has been around since the end of World War II. It was seen and spoken about during the Eisenhower administration.

The reality is that neither political party is wanting to do anything about this, and has kept this on the back burner for years, as it is useful for votes and for when they are wanting to draw attention to what else is being planned.

Yes in 1986 they did that and while the entire country was looking at this issue, what was not seen at the time was where the attention needed to be was the Tax act that hit property owners hard. And it was during that time frame, while everyone's attention was on that issue, there was Iran Contra that was going on fully, right under everyones attention.

So yes a wall may seem like it is needed, but then again what about all of the other problems in the country that desperately needed to be fixed, that the government could, but is ignoring. The Vets are not getting any more aid, and the system is still ineffective, there are still communities, like Flint, that still need clean water, and yet that does not seem to be important. Infrastructure seems to be failing across the country, but that is not important? The country is in the midst of a drug problem, yet instead of looking at who started this, namely the pharamacuitcal companies, and taking them to task, putting greater regulation and oversight on them, a wall is more important?

And then there is the immigration system itself and the courts that are so overwhelmed, a wall is not going to solve that. The immigration system, the entire system is underfunded and under staffed. The courts are so overwhelmed, that a standard case takes up to 7 years if a person is lucky if not longer, and with very little in the way of support staff. Would that not be a good place to start?



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

So because we have other problems we can't solve this one? Gotta start somewhere. Trump started. You can complain that it's the wrong starting point all you want but at the end of the day at least the problem is being addressed. He has also taken actions to relieve the court system of the immigration burden but the truth is, the court system is overwhelmed not only by immigration, but by an insanely litigious populace looking for a payday.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Immigration courts and judges don't hear any other cases except immigration related ones. They are not overwhelmed by any other issue.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 05:20 PM
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2.26.2019

The anti-America U.S. House has just voted to REPEAL President Trump's National Emergency to protect American citizens.

Source: www.cnn.com...

The Senate will not vote for several days. Trump vows to veto the bill, if the Senate happens to pass it as well.




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