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posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: dfnj2015

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

We are influenced by them yes. But I think it's a stretch to say we are a "Zionist State".


We have people running the government and the Pentagon with dual citizenship voting in Israel elections. I don't know how else to describe our present government.




posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



We also support Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and Cyprus.


Do you?


Nope.


What about the only democracy in the ME?


I have no problem being allies with a country.

I have no problem with us being allies with Israel.

I do think it should be a discussion on the extent of support we lend to a foreign power, and more importantly the amount of influence we knowingly accept from said country. Especially, when this influence changes our politics and policies.


Is lending support and receiving influence from the only democracy in the ME more or less pernicious than lending support and receiving influence from other countries in the area?



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: dfnj2015

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

We are influenced by them yes. But I think it's a stretch to say we are a "Zionist State".


We have people running the government and the Pentagon with dual citizenship voting in Israel elections. I don't know how else to describe our present government.


And most don't have dual citizenship.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



Don't worry, I understand the Israel position all the Arabs are animals not deserving of human rights. Got it.


Arabs live in Isreal, have human rights and are protected. But try being Isreali in an Arab country.

Jewish Exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
edit on 13-2-2019 by MadLad because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



We also support Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and Cyprus.


Do you?


Nope.


What about the only democracy in the ME?


I have no problem being allies with a country.

I have no problem with us being allies with Israel.

I do think it should be a discussion on the extent of support we lend to a foreign power, and more importantly the amount of influence we knowingly accept from said country. Especially, when this influence changes our politics and policies.


Is lending support and receiving influence from the only democracy in the ME more or less pernicious than lending support and receiving influence from other countries in the area?


How about we decrease it all?

This isn't a one or the other type thing.

Again, I've done a similar thread about Saudi Arabia having too much influence in our country.

So I don't see how virtue signalling we support the only democracy in the region (there are other democracies, just not as liberal as ours) holds much moral value when we give similar support and receive similar influence from totalitarian regimes like that of Saudi Arabia.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



We also support Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and Cyprus.


Do you?


Nope.


What about the only democracy in the ME?


I have no problem being allies with a country.

I have no problem with us being allies with Israel.

I do think it should be a discussion on the extent of support we lend to a foreign power, and more importantly the amount of influence we knowingly accept from said country. Especially, when this influence changes our politics and policies.


Is lending support and receiving influence from the only democracy in the ME more or less pernicious than lending support and receiving influence from other countries in the area?


How about we decrease it all?

This isn't a one or the other type thing.

Again, I've done a similar thread about Saudi Arabia having too much influence in our country.

So I don't see how virtue signalling we support the only democracy in the region (there are other democracies, just not as liberal as ours) holds much moral value when we give similar support and receive similar influence from totalitarian regimes like that of Saudi Arabia.


I'm saying it's stupid to hold them all on the same ground, as you seem to be doing here.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



We also support Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and Cyprus.


Do you?


Nope.


What about the only democracy in the ME?


I have no problem being allies with a country.

I have no problem with us being allies with Israel.

I do think it should be a discussion on the extent of support we lend to a foreign power, and more importantly the amount of influence we knowingly accept from said country. Especially, when this influence changes our politics and policies.


Is lending support and receiving influence from the only democracy in the ME more or less pernicious than lending support and receiving influence from other countries in the area?


How about we decrease it all?

This isn't a one or the other type thing.

Again, I've done a similar thread about Saudi Arabia having too much influence in our country.

So I don't see how virtue signalling we support the only democracy in the region (there are other democracies, just not as liberal as ours) holds much moral value when we give similar support and receive similar influence from totalitarian regimes like that of Saudi Arabia.


I'm saying it's stupid to hold them all on the same ground, as you seem to be doing here.


I'm not, as I've said we do have more in common with Israel yes... But that doesn't mean they should get a pass to influence our democracy (to the extent that they do), with money mind you.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



We also support Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and Cyprus.


Do you?


Nope.


What about the only democracy in the ME?


I have no problem being allies with a country.

I have no problem with us being allies with Israel.

I do think it should be a discussion on the extent of support we lend to a foreign power, and more importantly the amount of influence we knowingly accept from said country. Especially, when this influence changes our politics and policies.


Is lending support and receiving influence from the only democracy in the ME more or less pernicious than lending support and receiving influence from other countries in the area?


How about we decrease it all?

This isn't a one or the other type thing.

Again, I've done a similar thread about Saudi Arabia having too much influence in our country.

So I don't see how virtue signalling we support the only democracy in the region (there are other democracies, just not as liberal as ours) holds much moral value when we give similar support and receive similar influence from totalitarian regimes like that of Saudi Arabia.


I'm saying it's stupid to hold them all on the same ground, as you seem to be doing here.


I'm not, as I've said we do have more in common with Israel yes... But that doesn't mean they should get a pass to influence our democracy (to the extent that they do), with money mind you.


Ok, that's fair. I'm just not sure why Representative Omar gives so much focus to the influence of lobbyists representing the only democracy in the ME, while saying little to nothing of the Arab lobby in the US.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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What I find amazing is the consistency of foreign policy from Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump. No matter who is president we have the same foreign policy. Why even vote when we have the Council of Foreign Relations running the US military and we have domestic lobbyists defining domestic policy.

AIPAC runs this country.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Israel is a foreign country. It is not the United States; neither is the United States Israel.

AIPAC is the propaganda(educational) organ of a foreign country operating within the U.S. for the benefit of that foreign country.

Their greatest achievement so far has been their success in having both major political parties in the U.S. include wording in their party platforms like "no daylight between the U.S. and Israel" as if we are looking at one nation and not two; "Jewish state", as if people born in Israel are automatically Jewish, or that people who are Jewish, in whatever country they are citizens, automatically owe some sort of allegiance to a foreign country.

There is a cynical use of American self identity as "God's Country", with God usually meaning the protagonist of the Bible.

... the first Zionists to settle in Palestine were in fact American Protestants, who planted successive, ill-fated colonies aimed at “restoring” the Holy Land to Jews, so that their subsequent conversion to Christianity would speed the Second Coming?

And while the proto-Zionist restorationist movement faded to the fringes of Protestant preaching — at least, until its revival by some modern evangelicals — a sentimental attachment to the ancient Hebrews infused the religious upbringing of Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson, the two presidents who did most to cement American ties with Israel.

Truman’s own words reveal that “faith” was perhaps a secondary motive behind his crucial decision to back the creation of Israel. “I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism,” Oren quotes Truman as explaining. “I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs in my constituents.”
Midnight at the Oasis: a review of Michael Oren's book Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East 1776 to the Present By MAX RODENBECK

edit on 13-2-2019 by pthena because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You're an anti-Semite for pointing that out! How dare you! Haven't you learned anything from the Holocaust?!



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 05:13 PM
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Why Evangelical Christians Love Israel | VICE on HBO
12:28



WWIII anyone?



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Israel OWNS the United States. We are just a state of the Zionist Empire.

What makes you feel that Israel owns the US
What part(s) do they own ?
How do they "own" them



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



Don't worry, I understand the Israel position all the Arabs are animals not deserving of human rights. Got it.

No , no you dont have it.
Do you know how many Arab Muslims live in Israel ?

Denying ignorance
Why ?
My eyes are brown.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

You're ruining the WW2 era conspiracy theory that leftists continue to hang onto.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Gothmog

You're ruining the WW2 era conspiracy theory that leftists continue to hang onto.


My duty to ATS is to deny ignorance
My duty to the US of A is to destroy the Progressive Democrat Socialist's propaganda



edit on 2/13/19 by Gothmog because: oops , put that part in too soon



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Gothmog

You're ruining the WW2 era conspiracy theory that leftists continue to hang onto.


I have a question
Why do they do a Snagglepuss "exit , stage left" when I ask questions ?




posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
What I find amazing is the consistency of foreign policy from Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump. No matter who is president we have the same foreign policy. Why even vote when we have the Council of Foreign Relations running the US military and we have domestic lobbyists defining domestic policy.

AIPAC runs this country.

How so ?
AIPAC's contributions to the various parties are small compared to say...George Soros (which includes contributions to individuals for the most part)

Denying Ignorance
Why ?
My quest in life



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: dfnj2015

You're an anti-Semite for pointing that out! How dare you! Haven't you learned anything from the Holocaust?!



Ukrainians 5.5 - 7 million
Jews (of all countries) 6 million +
Russian POWs 3.3 million +
Russian Civilians 2 million +
Poles 3 million +
Yugoslavians 1.5 million +
Gypsies 200,000 - 500,000
Mentally/Physically Disabled 70,000- 250,000
Homosexuals Tens of thousands
Spanish Republicans Tens of thousands
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500 - 5,000

Communists: Ukrainians + Russian POWs + Russian Civilians = 12 million

Oy vey!



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: MadLad

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Supporting Israel in the ME has consequence. I'm pretty sure this guy is the next major terrorist:



More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq


We support Israel in the ME because it is the only democracy in the ME, the only place in the ME with universal suffrage for all citizens, regardless of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.



Don't worry, I understand the Israel position all the Arabs are animals not deserving of human rights. Got it.

No , no you dont have it.
Do you know how many Arab Muslims live in Israel ?

Denying ignorance
Why ?
My eyes are brown.


I can only go by what the boots on the ground are telling me:



You are so much smarter than me because I did not know rubber bullets were humane.




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