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Check the thread containing the report about the sighting, as Skibum mentioned, there are other videos showing the site (and the hill) in the daylight....
I am not saying this to agree with him, as many would knowGazrok and I, have several disagreements on several subjects on ufology and I do agree that Gazrok's skepticism can sometimes be very misguided and quite hypocritical I must say, sorry Gazrok.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
The first quibble I have with this, and it a rather minor one, but I am going to mention it nonetheless; is that the camera man has to proclaim twice "it's over my house" - is that a note to himself, or a note to the future viewers of his footage.
The biggest thing that strikes me about this is that the footage is so short. Now, why would this person get a camera, then film it for a few seconds, and then stop recording? We can see that the "UFO" has not moved. So why stop?
Now, someone mentioned that it was too jerky, I will give it the benefit of the doubt, as zooming in does exaggerate slight movements. However, I don't understand why the person would zoom in the first place. It is clearly visible in the original zoom setting, and as soon as the person zooms, it becomes blurry and distorted and this is the first time an apprent motion of the UFO is seen, which is actually an optical illusion caused by the jerking of the camera and the simultaneous zooming and moving of the camera man.
Now, take note it does not move at all in the original zoom setting, at the beginning of the clip and at the end of the clip. So, we can therefore conclude that this "UFO" is a completely stationary object. Again, it beckons to question, that if it is stationary and is not going anywhere, why would the camera man be in such a frenzy and stop recording.
The biggest give-away that this is a hoax is the attempt at a reverse zoom effect(well, technically a reverse zoom is zooming in while moving backwards) and a sudden whoosh sound, which seems like an obvious suggestion that the UFO has just accelerated into the distance. This takes place exactly at the time the camera man zooms out and moves backwards. All of this happens simulataneously and on the cue: UFO zooms - Camera zooms out - camera man walks backwards a little.
So, suppose the UFO did actually zoom into the distance, why does it stop at only a few meters from it's starting position? Actually, we know, that it did not move at all, however it does seem the camera man is trying to make us think it moved a few meters into the distance.
Now, if you consider all of the above, the only explanation that makes sense, is that it is a hoax.
What I think it is, is either a bush fire in the distance or perhaps a computer generated model. It does have quite a star wars feeling to it. The first indication that it is done on a computer is the addition of the whoosh sound clip. I think I also heard a sort of jet-noise sound towards the end, also did not seem natural, probably an insert.
Originally posted by Gazrok
If you haven't done so already, I'd highly recommend watching it with the sound OFF. Since I first saw it at work this way, this is why it was so easy to be objective when viewing it, and why I wasn't impressed. You'd be amazed at how much sound impacts your initial emotion, etc. and this is akin to watching a dramatic movie scene on mute...to then pay closer attention to the actual visual in a scene.
It's hard to tell because there's no common point of reference between the two videos.
The question I have is, if these are just lights on a hillside at night, why do they show up in one video and not the other?
If these are lights, do you have any idea of what kind of lights they are? Is it the big hill on the left, or the small one on the right? Anybody? Anybody?
quote: If these are lights, do you have any idea of what kind of lights they are? Is it the big hill on the left, or the small one on the right? Anybody? Anybody?
"A note to himself"!! He could obviously be surprised and just be talking to himself. "A note to future viewers of his footage"!! What the hell do future viewers care if that's his house or not?
To me the guy could have very well been up on a hill, hence more wind, filming something else when this thing came along. He saw it and started filming it instead. Maybe the film is so short because he stopped filming to run back towards his house to get a better shot, but when he arrived it was gone. These things have been known to dematerialize in the blink of an eye.
Like I said before, it looks like the guy is up on a hill quite a distance from his house. He zooms in to get a better look, then zooms back out........so what??
Are you kidding me with this? When does it even appear that the UFO accelerates in to the distance? To me he's just zooming back out. You say the man walks backwards a little. I think it could be that he moved back because of the wind. It does sound like it's blowing pretty hard
Are you listening to the same thing I am. How can you differentiate between high wind and a "whoosh sound"?? Well, I didn't hear a jet, but you're quite right, a jet flying at night would seem odd
]You're right, it does have a Star Wars feel to it. It looks like the Millenium Falcon, but that's neither here nor there. It could still be a UFO.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Dr Love, why do I get the impression that you want to believe this?
Anyhow if you want to believe this you can, I will still answer some of your points:
A potential hoaxer would try to establish that the UFO is over their house to try and make it seem more believable as this identifies the location and makes the camera man seem like a resident, and not some some stranger in the middle of nowhere, who saw a camera. As the hoaxer really knows it's not over their house, but in the distance on a hill or a computer generated model. Now, saying it twice is telling others - "Look, it's over my house - it's not on a hill and it's not a computer model, I know this place, I live here" As I said it a minor quibble, it may indeed be what you said, the person is surprised, even though he did not actually sound surprised to me, his voice was sort of monotone. It does support the Hoaxer hypothesis though.
Unless, his house is on a hill and there is a lamp post there, I wouldn't entertain that. And, remember "it's over my house" so no he's not quite a distance from his home. He's only standing outside just a few yards from his house on the road from the object. If he was much further, it would be apparent. We can see at the lowest zoom setting the the distance is still quite small. To have this confirmed I suggest you submit this clip to a video lab - who will be able to tell you the exact distances.
As for him running back to get a better shot. You do realize a camera can be kept running during reframing and moving with it as well? So, it does not compute. Now, as both the hill, large distance from home, running away to get a better shot are all your suppositions, I don't see much good discussing them. All I am going to consider is what we can see, I am not going to invent new variables for the sake of making it seem believable.~
Now, I am saying he walks backwards and zooms out at the same time and this happens at the exact moment we hear a whooshing sound, and that is not natural, and does not serve any purpose other than to change perspective and create an apparent acceleration of the UFO. It is quite obvious to me, but I don't think that is because I have a trained eye for camera, it's because it's right in your face.
How can I differentiate between high and a whoosh sound? Because I am not deaf? If your hearing faculty is so impaired, open it up in a sound editing software and view it, you will clearly be able to see that there is another sound(the whoosh) that is added to coincidewith the zoom out. It's what we call an editing transition in filmaking terms, and it happens the exact moment the person zooms out, and no it is not the wind.
Will someone else confirm the "whoosh" sound for this person.
Well yes, and the chances a UFO would look like something from a popular science fiction film, makes it seem even the more dubious.
What has led you to believe that this is, in fact, the same site filmed during the day?