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originally posted by: network dude
If walls are immoral, where is the campaign to remove them? We should be tearing down any and all walls. Starting with the border, then moving on to neighborhoods of the rich and famous. We could bring some more jobs to the table, and save our morality at the same time. The fact that this hasn't happened yet, bothers me. If it's important enough to make this big of a stink about it, then it's important enough to act on.
Mrs. Pelosi, tear down those walls!
originally posted by: watchitburn
The wall just makes sense.
If people want to come to the US, we have really, really nice gates that open and everything. And we have nice men and women who work at those gates to allow the people who are allowed to come here, in. That is the kind of immigration I support. Why do you support the kind where people sneak in?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The point Pelosi was making, I believe, was that in an humanitarian crisis, building a wall to keep out those running for their lives is immoral. In an humanitarian crisis the people looking for safety are not the crisis, what caused them to flee and petition the USA for refuge is.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
In this day and age, anyone who believes in "Heaven" and thinks that it's really protected by a stone wall, and pearly gates (that never close, btw) is a little bit nuts.
originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: network dude
If people want to come to the US, we have really, really nice gates that open and everything. And we have nice men and women who work at those gates to allow the people who are allowed to come here, in. That is the kind of immigration I support. Why do you support the kind where people sneak in?
Sounds good in theory but if you are being persecuted then often you can not wait in a line without being in greater danger.
Now it is a pretty low blow for gov. to claim we have ports for legal entry and everyone should use them and then the gov. goes and slows the process to a trickle so that very few are seen in a days time.
It is like having a big ole door and only using the peep hole.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: network dude
If people want to come to the US, we have really, really nice gates that open and everything. And we have nice men and women who work at those gates to allow the people who are allowed to come here, in. That is the kind of immigration I support. Why do you support the kind where people sneak in?
Sounds good in theory but if you are being persecuted then often you can not wait in a line without being in greater danger.
Now it is a pretty low blow for gov. to claim we have ports for legal entry and everyone should use them and then the gov. goes and slows the process to a trickle so that very few are seen in a days time.
It is like having a big ole door and only using the peep hole.
so your solution is to just close our eyes and let everyone who wants just come in, and those who are caught can "claim asylum" and get free stuff? Can we just bring them to your house?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude
A belief in "God" is not the same as believing that "God" erected a stone wall around Heaven, since he put the Van Allen Belt, and several other stratospheres around earth to protect earthlings. In this day and age, one should expect "God" to have better tech than a stone wall and pearly gates that never close! LOL
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude
A belief in "God" is not the same as believing that "God" erected a stone wall around Heaven, since he put the Van Allen Belt, and several other stratospheres around earth to protect earthlings. In this day and age, one should expect "God" to have better tech than a stone wall and pearly gates that never close! LOL
and yet, the illegal immigration rate in heaven is......zero. (if you make stupid arguments, you will get a stupid conversation.)
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude
A belief in "God" is not the same as believing that "God" erected a stone wall around Heaven, since he put the Van Allen Belt, and several other stratospheres around earth to protect earthlings. In this day and age, one should expect "God" to have better tech than a stone wall and pearly gates that never close! LOL
and yet, the illegal immigration rate in heaven is......zero. (if you make stupid arguments, you will get a stupid conversation.)
Look, I'm not the one claiming a wall is a good idea because even God put a wall around Heaven. Congressman Steven King is! So are some people in this thread.
My argument is that God should have better tech than a wall, and so should we.
originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: network dude
Uh, you do realize that the greatest source of illegal residents come to the US via airports and/or ships and then simply overstay there visas, only to resurface 10 years later to vote in California elections.
I live on the border with Mexico. There's no wall high enough, or long enough to staunch the flow. The only way to do that would be with live fire pursuits along the border.
That aint gonna happen.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: UncleTomahawk
Have you ever traveled by plane? For the sake of argument, I'll just assume you have or perhaps you know someone who has. When they went to the TSA checkpoint, were there any barriers to keep the crowd orderly and direct them to the proper place to enter? When I did this, there were in fact barriers to direct the flow of traffic. Now the barriers weren't much and I could easily just ducked under them had I wanted to. But that would cause chaos and likely make everyone else who was waiting patiently in line have to wait longer then they should have all because I felt I was more important than they were.
I bring this up because when people make the laughable argument that they could just bring a ladder and rope walls are no good. Yet the same scenario brings order out of chaos. It makes the point that you are not following the rules, and yes, our rules matter.
I have yet to hear anyone who is in favor of protecting the border claim that walls cannot be beaten, only that they provide a visible barrier to make a point. Bad men will still do bad things. It's like making a law against murder. We all know murder is wrong, so a law pointing that out seems redundant, yet if you look it up, a law stating that killing folks if frowned upon does exist.