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originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Tempter
Would need to see the specifics to make an informed decision...
However to reduce occupancy space to house foriegn invadors suggests the Progs just want to allow them to run free. So hoping NO DEAL.
It will be signed...let's go from there.
If you are actually serious about stopping illegals, you need to do two things:
First - Make it impossible for them to obtain or spend money here.
Second - Incentivize them to stay in their own countries.
Third - Take steps to protect the data of US citizens.
A wall, and even more Border Patrol (not that I'm opposed to BP as an agency, but to keep their high standards, mass hiring is simply not an option for them) do basically nothing to solve the problem. It's something tangible, and I get the appeal that has to people, but tangible and useless is still useless. Worse, it causes us to ignore the problem because there's now a physical symbol of it being solved, when the reality is that it was never addressed.
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Tempter
Would need to see the specifics to make an informed decision...
However to reduce occupancy space to house foriegn invadors suggests the Progs just want to allow them to run free. So hoping NO DEAL.
It will be signed...let's go from there.
What if it doesn't pass in The House? 😎
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Aazadan
Only 1% of all illegal immigration in the US comes from the southern border, through open areas.
this number includes all the one's that didn't get caught right?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I count three, but whatever.
That would be some trick. You'd have to make a way for every person, even the homeless, to receive money electronically.
As it is right now, only businesses do so, because the cost of setting up the various accounts is prohibitive for an individual. You'd be outlawing true charity, including church tithes, which is a direct violation of the freedom of religion, and you'd be creating a paper trail of electronic records to exactly track every person at all times.
Just imagine the chaos if everyone were to be prohibited from buying or selling directly to another person. Just imagine the problems if someone were asked to pick up something in town for someone else. We have had suggestions to get rid of cash for quite some time now, and they always end up being rejected for good reason.
I need more specifics here. We already send billions of dollars (more each year than the cost of the wall in total) to these countries in such an attempt.
We already do. The problem is there are 300+ million US citizens, and no two are exactly alike. I get calls regularly form my bank when I need something out of the ordinary for me, just to verbally verify that yes, I spent that.
A wall will slow down and impede border crossings. Walls have always done that. There's not a substantial wall that has ever been built that did not impede free flow of traffic.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Aazadan
unless you think those that cross via that means are for some reason caught significantly less than everyone else.
Well, they typically are... ask any CBP agent... but I'm curious how we are counting people we never see?
TheRedneck
It's already done. The only step that would need to be added, is to get rid of the stupid prepaid debit cards (which should honestly be illegal anyways). The problem with the homeless is that they don't really want to be part of the system, and this forces them to be part of it. It would either result in the homeless having no money at all, or forcibly reintegrating to some extent.
I've got one of those little swipe things I can plug into my phone. I can also accept paypal. Accepting money directly from another person digitally is trivial.
Shape our foreign policy to promote stability.
That is a private business detecting financial fraud. It is quite different from a government entity protecting identity fraud.
Yes, it will. But most traffic doesn't go through areas that a wall will block.