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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk




You all would be better served if you just came out and said you are wanting the process of asylum to stop in the usa.

There is no process for asylum in the US
The only "asylum" process that came close was the Cuban wet feet/dry feet that Obama ended due to his "improved" relations with Cuba

Denying ignorance
Why ?
3rd time today. Why not continue ?




posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

YEA NO

You are posting nonsense.

Feel free to figure out what you are tryin to say.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

It is not legal to cross the border for purposes of asslyum, that is simply a lie.

The following does a good job of explaining what laws are broken when you cross illegally:
www.alllaw.com...

In order to claim asslyum, if you crossed illegally and in some cases legally, you fill out a form called "Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal". There is an amount of understanding and forgiveness built into the asslyum process, it's incorrect to believe laws haven't been broken and crimes not commited due to forgiveness offered during the process.


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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

The act of crossing the border outside of the law is illegal, a criminal offense.

Please state the law / statue for the illegal crossing being considered legal if for the purpose of assluym.

Apologies you were confused by me correctly explaining the form that is used for someone being present in the USA and claiming assluym!
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You are getting confused by no action being taken against the crime vs no crime being committed. It is an easy mistake to make, but unfortunately is a mistake.
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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: latic




The act of crossing the border outside of the law is illegal,


Nice word salad.

So you think everyone crossing and then surrendering to authorities are just turning themselves in for the heck of it?














As long as they cross and then surrender then they are not breaking the law if they are seeking asylum.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Asslyum isn't a class of person it's a process. People enter the process and have certain crimes forgiven, the process was developed for people escaping bad conditions and therefore that is understandable.

Think of it this way, is it illegal driving over the speed limit? Has someone who received a presidential pardon had the crime wiped from history?


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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

You have that backwards 1st you break the law, then you seek asylum you can also seek asylum at any US embassy. You have the right to go to court to see if you qualify to have asylum. If not, you get deported. (for entering the US illegally) The issue is most never show up for court. Even when asking for asylum, you still in violation of the law until a determination by the court. See how easy that was?even a caveman can understand it, why can't you?
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posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: thedigirati

this is like conversations i had in elementary. If you are claiming asylum then it is legal to cross the border anywhere. If you are crossing for any other reason and not in a port then you are more than likely breaking the law.



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Please provide the USA law that specifically states/confirms this.

A good way of thinking over your problem would be to ask yourself would a US Citizen crossing the border, outside of a port of entry, be committing a crime as per the law of the USA?
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posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: latic
a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Please provide the USA law that specifically states/confirms this.

A good way of thinking over your problem would be to ask yourself would a US Citizen crossing the border, outside of a port of entry, be committing a crime as per the law of the USA?


It is not up to me to prove common knowledge to you. Feel free to notice how everyone crossing the border are turning themselves in. If you go searchin for the law be sure to look for asylum laws and not immigration law.

I do not understand the second part of your post. Are you asking if it is ok to sneak into mexico? Are you asking if it would be a crime if the usa was persecuting a citizen and they had no choice but to cross the border and claim asylum then yes it would be legal. That is the thing with persecution..you do not always have time or safety to wait in a line.



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Im sorry but that isn't how the website works, you state something and are asked to provide proof that is what you are required to do. "common knowledge" doesn't exist. The website is about denying ignorance.

The second part is about a US citizen not using a port of entry from another country back into the USA.

You do not have a good grasp about the law and forgiveness. Unfortunately, you cannot provide the law because there is no law in existence, you have only your opinion of "common knowledge".
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posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: latic

Study up on asylum laws and treaties that deal with such. I am not here for your link amusement. People do not have to provide common knowledge sources such as the sky is not blue or water is wet.



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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Non-Yankees go home.



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So do you, or do you not want immigrants to follow our asylum laws? It sounds like your beef is with U.S. asylum law, not those seeking asylum. Would you prefer they just cross illegally and roll the dice or follow the proper process?

Do it the wrong way = bad
Do it the right way = still bad?



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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"Study up on asylum laws and treaties that deal with such. I am not here for your link amusement."

Well, allow me to amuse you then.

Look here:

www.uscis.gov...

Third question in the list.

A person cannot legally enter the country in asylum status as you have asserted. Asylum is a legal status that (1) must be applied for, and (2) is granted by the government. Without these two steps, an individual is in violation of immigration law--whether they want asylum or not.

Cheers
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posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: TheTruthRocks

Yes people being persecuted are legally allowed to cross the border anywhere they can and report directly to authorities and claim asylum.


You think someone in danger of being killed has time to stand in line or that they should be charged with a crime for trying to live?

Common sense and put yourself in their shoes.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: TheTruthRocks

Wrong.

There are two types of asylum requests. One where you show up and request it, called an affirmative request. And another where you get caught and request it, called a defensive request. The process of determining whether asylum will be granted or not requires a hearing. the current wait time for hearings averages 1,000-1,300 days. During that time, some are detained, and others are released to relatives living in the U.S. You don't file the application until AFTER you have entered the U.S., not before.

As of last March, there were 318,000 pending asylum requests. Only around 20-30 percent of all requests are granted, with China, El Salvador and Honduras refugees making up most of the granted asylum requests.



posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: usernameconspiracy

But the moment you cross a country border outside without following the law you commit a crime. The asslyum process has forgiveness built in (And it should do).




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