WOW-81% of Eligible Voters support Green New Deal!!

Ode to Joy!
climatecommunication.yale.edu...

The survey results show overwhelming support for the Green New Deal, with 81% of registered voters saying they either “strongly support” (40%) or “somewhat support” (41%) this plan.

Color me astonished. Of course, as you might expect from Yale University, the survey and results are somewhat misleading.

From the fisrt paragraph of the story:

The Deal would generate 100% of the nation’s electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years; upgrade the nation’s energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure; increase energy efficiency; invest in green technology research and development; and provide training for jobs in the new green economy.

Then we find out what they asked of the people who they interviewed.

In the survey, we showed respondents a brief description of the Green New Deal, which was identical to the first paragraph of this report (above). The description was followed by the question “How much do you support or oppose this idea?”

So obviously, the survey was way short of details about the NGD. And the people behind the report do admit that:

Notably, although our description of the Deal accurately provided details about the proposal, it did not mention that the Green New Deal is championed by Democratic members of Congress such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and John Lewis (D-GA). Other research has shown that people evaluate policies more negatively when they are told it is backed by politicians from an opposing political party. Conversely, people evaluate the same policy more positively when told it is backed by politicians from their own party.

And of course they had to admit that the survey respondents, for the most part, knew nothing of the details of the NGD.

Indeed, before we shared our description of the Deal with survey participants, we first asked them how much, if anything, they had heard about it. Very few people had heard about it. In fact, 82% of registered voters had heard “nothing at all” about the Deal.

And they allow as how:

Going forward, the Deal will likely require bipartisan support among political and media elites to maintain existing bipartisan support.

But then again, isnt that the whole purpose of this rather flawed survey? To provide ammo to the Media Elites to rush out and make wild claims about 81% support the NGD!

There's no doubt whatsoever the largely clueless masses, ever glued to their smart phones and Facebook will be relentlessly pummeled with misleading polling data and reports of widespread support for the NGD.

And of course, Elizabeth (Pochohontas) Warren has announced her candidacy and is framing all this as a matter of life or death.

"existing bi-partisan support"

hahahahahaha...

They're a joke.

This Cortez lady will assure Trump a second term.

The more she speaks, the wider Trump’s margin of Victory.

Well survey how many would vote for a gold tree/bush planted in everybody’s backyard or window box. Bet that would come back pretty strong too. Never mind that it doesn’t exist and can not happen.

Stupid polls!

The followup questions should have been,
"Are you willing to pay higher taxes to pay for implementing the items listed in the Green New Deal?"
"If told your home was required to be compliant to 100% green, would you be willing to pay for the upgrades listed in the Green New Deal?"

What is that ye old saying...?

"never go full retard"

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Indeed, before we shared our description of the Deal with survey participants, we first asked them how much, if anything, they had heard about it. Very few people had heard about it. In fact, 82% of registered voters had heard “nothing at all” about the Deal.

So interestingly almost the exact same percentage of those who had heard details prior were opposed to it. Not saying there is a connection, just very interesting.

Also, just crap methodology in their survey.

a reply to: TonyS

But then again, isnt that the whole purpose of this rather flawed survey?

Flawed?

Based upon your selected quotations, it's pretty obvious that, as you yourself noted, people, when confronted with policy in and of itself, will have a different opinion of any given policy than when they associate it with a political persuasion.

So, people agree with the premise of and support the Green New Deal...until they learn it's associated with democrats.

"Doh! What was I thinking? It sounds so good, but but democrats!"

This just proves people are stupid and act against their own best interests in favor of partisanship, in general.

According to that poll 64% of republicans support it.

Imma gonna hafta call bull# on this one.

a reply to: TonyS

Like if you asked people if they liked free money, and then reported that 100% of the population agrees that America should become a socialist society.

I am tired of working, so I support me getting part of your tax money

I can just play on my iPhone and let you, the tax payers, pay for me....

Go Green to make the middle class as poor as I will be when I stop working

It'll be one of those involuntary/voluntary kind of deals.

Look, we gave you a choice, either do whats right for the good of the planet or we'll take your house and/or imprison you. It really is that simple.

GOSH, get on board guys!

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: TonyS

But then again, isnt that the whole purpose of this rather flawed survey?

Flawed?

Based upon your selected quotations, it's pretty obvious that, as you yourself noted, people, when confronted with policy in and of itself, will have a different opinion of any given policy than when they associate it with a political persuasion.

So, people agree with the premise of and support the Green New Deal...until they learn it's associated with democrats.

"Doh! What was I thinking? It sounds so good, but but democrats!"

This just proves people are stupid and act against their own best interests in favor of partisanship, in general.

No, what it proves is that when you only include the good parts (total renewable energy, etc.) and leave out the parts people might object to (rebuilding every freakin' building in the country, eliminating air travel, etc.) they're more likely to be for it.

For example:
Most women would be for it if you asked them, "Would you buy chocolate ice cream that's not packed with artificial sweeteners, that still tastes delicious, but won't make you gain a single ounce of weight no matter how much you eat?"

However, if you were leaving something out, such as "oh, by the way, the reason you won't gain weight no matter how much you eat is that it's full of strychnine and will kill you before you can gain that weight" and you added that little fact into your poll rather than being dishonest, the majority of women would probably have a different opinion.

Same thing here.

a reply to: riiver

It seemed to be standard use of trickery in performing the poll.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: riiver

It seemed to be standard use of trickery in performing the poll.

Exactly. MASSIVE trickery. They say this is the language they used:

The Deal would generate 100% of the nation’s electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years; upgrade the nation’s energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure; increase energy efficiency; invest in green technology research and development; and provide training for jobs in the new green economy.

But they leave out:

Going to 100% clean energy by 2030 means reducing energy demand as much as possible. This will require energy conservation and efficiency; replacing non-essential individual means of transport with high-quality and modern mass transit ...

(That's going to be GREAT for those of us who don't live in a city--you know, most of that big red area on the election map-- right?)

Along with these steps it will be necessary to electrify everything else, including transport, heating, etc.

(And electric cars and farm equipment are going to be great in rural areas too! We can't wait here in "flyover country.")

retrofitting buildings for insulation and efficiency

(We're all standing in line to pay out the ass to do this)

We will need revenues between $700 billion to $1 trillion annually for the Green New Deal. $400 billion will be for the public jobs programs.

...etc.

I hear they will be laying railroad tracks across the sea so electric trains can travel in the place on airplanes.

Many people forget the sayings "Nothing in life is free" and "If it sounds too good to be true".

Ok , no mention of the subset of people polled
Yale
Need I go further ?

"The numbers shown here are a consensus of all the tiny little voices inside my head"
"These are my numbers . I can do what I want with them"

No need