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Trump's Tax Returns - Red Herring

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posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 04:24 PM
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I think the OP is worth pursuing, Polititions once were not bound by inside trading laws, now they are. That now just means that whomever is selling them the stocks just isn't telling them about the insider trading information when they sell them a pile of stock that is going to go up a lot in the near future. They are getting sure thing deals so they can make money and do things to promote the well being of the company providing the lead.




posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

of course it isn't this is politics we are talking about a bunch of mealy mouthed liars all



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: pteridine

So then a promise isnt a promise?



Ok sit down and prepare yourself. Holding on tight? Politicians lie. Both sides, all sides, always have, always will. But you knew that, right?



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot
Ok sit down and prepare yourself. Holding on tight? Politicians lie. Both sides, all sides, always have, always will. But you knew that, right?


People know it, but would rather live in a subjective truth, and argue for a team they truly know nothing about. The struggling masses work for a set wage, and are subjected to a completely different MO than the politicians that represent them; those politicians that are supposedly representing the masses are making themselves millionaires, literally overnight.

This is not capitalism.

This is not socialism.

This is none of the isms, but one criminalism.

Should people start a riot, or war over it? Absolutely not! It's time that people use their brains, and a bit of awareness.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 05:13 PM
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Tax returns are not public records, they are private. A tax return contains confidential information that is not readily available to the public and no one is ever required to publish them, or should they. This includes the President, Congress, Senate members as well.

Sure, they make a lot more money than what the Government pays them, but they are also smart people who worked hard for those positions, probably have great investments and certainly have great connections.

Instead of prying into other people's personal business, people would be better off spending the time improving their own lot in life and improving their income to help themselves, their children and the safety of this planet.

This world is full of prying crybabies that care more about facebook, twitter and other people's lives than they do about their own families.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: sooth
We all know Trump is a tax cheat. But what really matters is that he identifies as a non-tax cheat so we should respect that. Unless you're a Trumpophobic bigot.


Did I fall asleep and miss Trump’s arrest, trial and conviction? No probably not. So then we all don’t know that he is a tax cheat. HOWEVER, we all do know that these individuals were convicted for many crimes including tax evasion, fraud racketeering among others. You will notice D’s and R’s are both involved.

en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: whywhynot
Ok sit down and prepare yourself. Holding on tight? Politicians lie. Both sides, all sides, always have, always will. But you knew that, right?


People know it, but would rather live in a subjective truth, and argue for a team they truly know nothing about. The struggling masses work for a set wage, and are subjected to a completely different MO than the politicians that represent them; those politicians that are supposedly representing the masses are making themselves millionaires, literally overnight.

This is not capitalism.

This is not socialism.

This is none of the isms, but one criminalism.

Should people start a riot, or war over it? Absolutely not! It's time that people use their brains, and a bit of awareness.


Oh I know it is just hopeless. I remember when the DC mayor Barry was convicted for smoking crack coc aine in a hotel room. After he served his time he was still re-elected. So many examples. It never fails to amaze me.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: charlyv
Sure, they make a lot more money than what the Government pays them, but they are also smart people who worked hard for those positions, probably have great investments and certainly have great connections.

Instead of prying into other people's personal business, people would be better off spending the time improving their own lot in life and improving their income to help themselves, their children and the safety of this planet.

This world is full of prying crybabies that care more about facebook, twitter and other people's lives than they do about their own families.



This is another issue, fawning over politicians, and treating them like celebrities.

When someone becomes a representative of the public, all bets are off, they need to have full disclosure, because they are in a fiduciary position of power for the constituents, that got them into office.

If politicians have something to hide, or they abuse their political position for financial gain, other than what is offered, than they shouldn't take the office.

Improving our lives, and our families lives is having the intelligence, and political efficacy to admit there is total corruption within the government, on many levels. The future of the our children, planet, and lively-hoods rest solely on critical thinking people, but when there is chaotic propaganda that so many people buy into, the masses are divided.
edit on 9-2-2019 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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Let's see Nancy Pelosi's tax returns, She's third in line to be President!



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: djz3ro
I thought it was the done thing for a president to disclose their tax returns?

I really don't get why more people aren't up in arms over him withholding them, can you imagine the outcry if Obama had done that?




The reason other Presidents have released theirs is due almost entirely to them being career government scabs. A private sector person is under no obligation to release anything.

I fully expect Trump to release his tax returns from his 4 years in government. And he should but you and the howling mob have no right to demand to see the tax returns of a private citizen.

Are we forgetting that the tax return Maddow produced (which was illegal by the way) showed that Trump paid more taxes than required?

Are we forgetting that Trump underwent an IRS audit for 10 straight years with no issues cited?



Don't forget the 'Biggie' in all of this...on the face of it, nothing to do with Trump's criminal activities but crooked nonetheless, it's called funnelling of monies..especially in the US, where, because of the electoral system in the US which is almost ceaseless, all the corps, business interests fund money to the never ending political process just to keep the politicians sweet, and the infrastructure going...more or less, rather than pay their fair share.


Trump however, is in a different league if not alone, his money laundering activities, while they don't debar him from being a part of the 'legal' funding of political activities, they do make it a problem of introducing his accumulation of wealth..pretty easy for most crooks, into the US...whereas his laundering for foreigners, and debt commitments make him very vulnerable to intense scrutiny by the IRS since they might be missing out on a heap of foreign money.
That's the way it works.

now,if any nine to five US guy, who does pay his tax fairly, thinks that Trump or anyone else in the same league, pays a fair share of tax on his income, then they live in cloud Cuckoo land.
edit on 9-2-2019 by smurfy because: Text.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: pteridine

So then a promise isnt a promise?



A promise from a liar isn't a promise at all...



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: djz3ro
I thought it was the done thing for a president to disclose their tax returns?

I really don't get why more people aren't up in arms over him withholding them, can you imagine the outcry if Obama had done that?


You don't "get" it because your thought process is too tied to CNN.

The reason other Presidents have released theirs is due almost entirely to them being career government scabs. A private sector person is under no obligation to release anything.

I fully expect Trump to release his tax returns from his 4 years in government. And he should but you and the howling mob have no right to demand to see the tax returns of a private citizen.

Are we forgetting that the tax return Maddow produced (which was illegal by the way) showed that Trump paid more taxes than required?

Are we forgetting that Trump underwent an IRS audit for 10 straight years with no issues cited?



Wow, what an assumption. I don't watch CNN, I don't think we have it here in tbe UK. I don't get it because I'm an outsider to US politics. When I don't understand something, I ask. It's how we adults learn things.

Did I demand to see anything? Or do you have egg on your face for calling me out for something I didn't actually do?



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: pteridine

So then a promise isnt a promise?



Ok sit down and prepare yourself. Holding on tight? Politicians lie. Both sides, all sides, always have, always will. But you knew that, right?


LIES!




posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: djz3ro

No. By law they are not required to do so. Most of 'em do, after it's been suitably checked over to make sure it, at the least, looks on the up and up.

Trump didn't, and some folks went into meltdown.

It'd be interesting, indeed, to look at legit tax returns from these sudden multi-millionaires in Congress...


Actually, the only reason it started was because of Nixon. Nobody did it before that.

It was also for a good reason... Nixon was a crook.


In 1973, with the Watergate scandal heating up, tax experts called for an audit of President Nixon. The IRS refused, but one of the agency’s employees leaked information showing Nixon paid only $792.81 in federal income taxes in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, despite income of more than $200,000. He also took a huge number of deductions, including $570,000 for the gift of his vice-presidential papers to the National Archives, which he apparently had his aide backdate to the previous year (before it became illegal for him to take the deduction). Nixon ended up releasing his tax returns going back to 1969, and was later hit with a tax bill of $471,431 plus interest. “People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook,” Nixon told reporters in November 1973, in the midst of the scandal over his taxes. “Well, I am not a crook.” He would resign less than a year later.


History.Com Link

So this isn't exactly a historical thing or a law at all.

What it really is to the opposing party is opposition research.

So yes indeed... Congress critters need to start showing their returns as well when they run for office.

And their high school yearbook, of course.




posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
He did promise.




"I will release my tax returns — against my lawyer's wishes — when [Hillary Clinton] releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted"


You forgot the stipulation.

ETA:


You mean he NEVER went on to promise by election day we'd have it??




posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: pteridine

So then a promise isnt a promise?



Ok sit down and prepare yourself. Holding on tight? Politicians lie. Both sides, all sides, always have, always will. But you knew that, right?


LIES!






posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: djz3ro

No. By law they are not required to do so. Most of 'em do, after it's been suitably checked over to make sure it, at the least, looks on the up and up.

Trump didn't, and some folks went into meltdown.

It'd be interesting, indeed, to look at legit tax returns from these sudden multi-millionaires in Congress...


Actually, the only reason it started was because of Nixon. Nobody did it before that.

It was also for a good reason... Nixon was a crook.


In 1973, with the Watergate scandal heating up, tax experts called for an audit of President Nixon. The IRS refused, but one of the agency’s employees leaked information showing Nixon paid only $792.81 in federal income taxes in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, despite income of more than $200,000. He also took a huge number of deductions, including $570,000 for the gift of his vice-presidential papers to the National Archives, which he apparently had his aide backdate to the previous year (before it became illegal for him to take the deduction). Nixon ended up releasing his tax returns going back to 1969, and was later hit with a tax bill of $471,431 plus interest. “People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook,” Nixon told reporters in November 1973, in the midst of the scandal over his taxes. “Well, I am not a crook.” He would resign less than a year later.


History.Com Link

So this isn't exactly a historical thing or a law at all.

What it really is to the opposing party is opposition research.

So yes indeed... Congress critters need to start showing their returns as well when they run for office.

And their high school yearbook, of course.



I second that motion.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth


This has little to do with Trump, but rather dividing, and leading the masses that follow political parties blindly.


It has everything to do with Trump.

I'd like to know, and I hope others also would like to know, where Trump gets his money, and how much of a criminal he might be (is).

And that's not partisan.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: sooth
We all know Trump is a tax cheat. But what really matters is that he identifies as a non-tax cheat so we should respect that. Unless you're a Trumpophobic bigot.


When your genius ass proves your accusations, I'll eat DB's bra off of AM's Lilly red potatoe



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Realtruth


This has little to do with Trump, but rather dividing, and leading the masses that follow political parties blindly.


It has everything to do with Trump.

I'd like to know, and I hope others also would like to know, where Trump gets his money, and how much of a criminal he might be (is).

And that's not partisan.


ROTFLMAO, and that’s not partisan.




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