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Pompeo America obligated to fight Hezbollah in Venezuela to save duly elected Guaido?

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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit


How the heck has the USA been allowed to get away with it for so long. They have basically held back South America from evolving organically. Held all of the Middle East in chaos , fomenting a war between Russia and the Ukraine. Then to top it off surrounding Russia with missiles on their border. To top this off the American taxpayer who has been paying for it really hasn't a clue to what's going on in their name.




posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: TrueBrit


How the heck has the USA been allowed to get away with it for so long. They have basically held back South America from evolving organically. Held all of the Middle East in chaos , fomenting a war between Russia and the Ukraine. Then to top it off surrounding Russia with missiles on their border. To top this off the American taxpayer who has been paying for it really hasn't a clue to what's going on in their name.


We all getting rich yo, better not ruing it with facts and morals or that crap



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 10:09 PM
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I'm kinda curious as to why we, as a nation, are obligated?

South America is a problem for South America. Brazil. Chile. Uruguay. Etc...

Ain't our boggle.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: seagull

That's a fair point ,( the obligation question ) , but hard to answer . You could just about sum it up in that Trump is your President , and that , he trusts in God or so to speak . So do Pompeo and Pence of course .

You elected him , and now he's putting America First , and not just at home . He's reiterating Us hegemony , in a pretty obvious way.

While there's no point getting into partisan points of view over this , let's face it , the SCO and the West are most likely to be just as sneaky and manipulative as the other , and so called socialism can allow just as much or more corrupt and authoritarian practise . Really you need to understand global alliances to see what's going on , not the previously put democractic communitarian or virtue signalling points of view - they're largely irrelevant .We're all #ed either way aha . So is Venezuela, , do they as a country want to be a western asset or an eastern one , that's the only question . You couldn't realistically appraise that an organisation such as the sco / eastern front is not actually a form of unipolar direction either .

Where there's the future of the world at stake , is it quite refreshing to see an , honest as it can be , form of war take place on that Fox news interview . Pompeo gets out the full deck of US cards and spells it out , ie ' we'd like the Cubans and the Russians to leave . ' And obviously he'd prefer they take those TU # supersonic nuclear capable bombers with them . They weren't messing around by backing Guaido or in that manner .

The reaction of Jair Bolsanaro , who's (who do we thank?) thankfully been elected and put in office very recently , supported the American position here over Murduros term in office. That says a lot . Before January Brazil was populated with 'Russians' too , the Chinese were helping just as they've been lending a buying their oil . So the foreign policy machine of america - which seems to very re-invigorated under Trump - is making large strides forward by completely reordering the Brazilian regime without too much fuss . Possibly a lucky turn of events , a war for Brazil and or Venezuela could be very ugly , and hopefully these things don't happen because they stimulate the mic of either side .

You'd hope American and nato troops don't have to be involved but obligated you might be , and if I was forced to judge then I'd imagine the future world and Venezuela itself would probably be better off with with reasonably free thinking and speaking Americans , capitalisers as they might be at the top , and as a country , than some kind of pseudo-socialist technocracy which hardly bothers to pretend towards liberal democracy such as the Chinese system, which fulfils the same ends . Especially i f they made people cast a vote .. that never spells a good immediate future . Of course it's pretty pointless voting when things are fixed going by the fact that other people tick boxes in relative ignorance , as if it was their only choice in politics , but if people ticked boxes and signed up to the military then they'll know it's a bit late to be asking about their obligations .

If you're going to be protecting Venezuelan democracy then in this case, perversely, the vote will count , as as Maduro himself said during his election campaign , this vote is about who governs the world, not just Venezuela , or words to that effect . He brought the truth , at least when he said that . You'll be obligated to protect democracy , whoever supplies it , and currentlywe're not seeing an isular isolationist non-guarding unaggressive policy from either protectorate , but quite the opposite .






edit on 9-2-2019 by DoctorBluechip because: (no reason given)

edit on 9-2-2019 by DoctorBluechip because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 08:16 AM
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'Obligation' to any other nation is a complete fabrication! Venezuela/Libya/Iraq/Syria, none of these military actions are to save or protect anything other than the standing of the world reserve currency.


The reserve currency is commonly used in international transactions, international investments and all aspects of the global economy. People who live in a country that issues a reserve currency can purchase imports and borrow across borders more cheaply than people in other nations because they do not need to exchange their currency to do so.
en.wikipedia.org...


Venezuela stopped trading oil in dollars, as did each of the other countries I've mentioned. Syria were looking to trade oil in Roubles or Rupees. Libya and Iraq looked to oil transactions using the EURO and Gadaffi was working with the ANC to create a single, gold backed currency for Africa. Imagine how different the world would look if oil trade was controlled by a truly united Africa or Europe! Or indeed another 'super-power' or strong emergent economy.

The only obligation America and her billionaire traders are under is to America and her billionaires. For this, America will undermine, corrupt, destabilise or obliterate any country that actually believes in a truly open market economy or who wants independence from the 'obligation' to trade oil in anything other than American dollars.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Well, he is my President. But I didn't elect him, as I didn't vote for him, but that's neither here nor there. He is, for better or for worse, the President, and in many ways, he's done a much better job than I ever expected.

Many of the messes, he inherited, so I can hardly hold him solely accountable...much as some herein would love to do so.

As for the "God wanted him to be President"? That's above my paygrade...
. Not a belief I even remotely share, but I don't pretend to know how a deity's wishes go. I presume that when he wants me to know, she will let me know in unmistakable fashion.

But Venezuela, for the most part, has reached crisis on his watch, not all of it, but some. If we're/he is smart, we'll leave it alone. Again, for better or for worse, this is South America's problem. We've enough on our plate without deliberately seeking out more...



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 03:23 PM
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What would happen....


Dear mr maduro this is the don..we have got off to a bad start and i would like to steer things in a different direction before events escalate out of control. My number one concern is for the well being of your people and i purpose that starting now i will remove all sanctions and allow you a moment to begin to change your country for the better. This is what needs to happen first feed your people. Revive your farming and oil industry and i would be glad to send you some civilian volunteers to aid you in your restructure. Guarantee their safety and the well being of your people and america will help you in any way we can...Fail to do this or break this agreement and you will have the full force of American Greatness at your doorstep in about 5 minutes.

Cheers to a new beginning.

PS I could care less how you run your country as long as people are eating and not being abused!



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 06:28 PM
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What the Press Hides From You About Venezuela
A Case of News-Suppression All Across the Mainstream Media


THE COVERED-UP DOCUMENT

On 3 August 2018, the UN’s General Assembly received the report from the UN’s Independent Expert on the Promotion of a Democratic and Equitable International Order, concerning his mission to Venezuela and Ecuador. His recent travel though both countries focused on “how best to enhance the enjoyment of all human rights by the populations of both countries.”

He “noted the eradication of illiteracy, free education from primary school to university, and programmes to reduce extreme poverty, provide housing to the homeless and vulnerable, phase out privilege and discrimination, and extend medical care to everyone.”

He noted “that the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, and Ecuador, both devote around 70 per cent of their national budgets to social services.”



Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns with the intention of forcing them to surrender. Twenty-first century sanctions attempt to bring not just a town, but sovereign countries to their knees. A difference, perhaps, is that twenty-first century sanctions are accompanied by the manipulation of public opinion through “fake news”, aggressive public relations and a pseudo-human rights rhetoric so as to give the impression that a human rights “end” justifies the criminal means.



Participatory democracy in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, called “protagónica”, is anchored in the Constitution of 1999 and relies on frequent elections and referendums.



US oil companies had large investments in Venezuela in the early 20th century but were locked out after Venezuelans voted to nationalise the industry in 1973.



Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world and an abundance of other natural resources including gold, bauxite and coltan. But under the Maduro government they’re not easily accessible to US and transnational corporations

off-guardian.org...


Nationalised oil production does not make enough profit for greedy private corporate interests who happily wage economic warfare against duly elected governments that do not dance to the corporatocracy tune.

Dance puppets. dance.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: TheJesuit
Venezuela is starting to look, and sound more and more like a fabricated scenario.

It is. I read a couple of years ago that the moneyed class would cut off their commerce to strangle the country's economy, and it worked. Totally manufactured to steal oil.



posted on Feb, 10 2019 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

It does not fall on deaf ears.
I am very interested in what you have
to say. I respect your opinion as an ATS
member.

Even if we disagree. S A V V Y ?
edit on 10-2-2019 by Wildmanimal because: typo



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: namehere
hezbollah is most certainly in south America, they have spread their influence into 40 different nations across the globe and the lawless region between peru, colombia and ecuador, which is right next door to venezuela is one of the areas their influence has gotten the strongest, do you really think they wouldn't take advantage of the chaos in venezuela to spread their influence further? have you forgot how long the region has had to deal with civil war, drug cartels and terrorism?

the area has been ripe for this for decades, it was only inevitable that an enemy to America would try to exploit all this chaos to set up shop right on our doorstep.


This nonsense that Hezbollah is most in south America is the same lie that AQ is active in South America to, which they never were.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: TheJesuit
Venezuela is starting to look, and sound more and more like a fabricated scenario.

It is. I read a couple of years ago that the moneyed class would cut off their commerce to strangle the country's economy, and it worked. Totally manufactured to steal oil.


Its also a distraction from the political mess in America as well.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: Wildmanimal

Thank ya kindly!

The reason I said it would fall on deaf ears for the most part is because the way it looks at face value (US ties with Venezuelan oil).... Both sides of American politics look to be implicated.

It's something many people wouldn't like to face.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Somebody else is running the show?



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: teapot
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Somebody else is running the show?



Something else..... $$$$$$. As always.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Hezbollah has been in Latin America
for years.
So were and are the Nazi's.
Interesting and important facts
that have been eliminated from your
public school curriculum.



Public school is as easily as corrupt itself. America is in no way at telling others how to control their country at this rate. Too much Cults in America already. As you said MK ultra took over the population already. Why don't you look at the cults who are recruiting in schools itself? I've already seen too much of it in westernized public schools. The teacher don't do anything about it.
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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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if anything happens which threatens the strength of the American dollar, the Bankers and the rich start twitching. Because their assets are in this currency. Hence all other currencies falling against it. They cant stock up on Precious metals because that would push the prices up and cause an alternative to the said currency. The problem is that Russia China and many European central Banks are buying it and storing it while the prices have been dramatically suppressed. Which means that America will have to do anything to make sure the dollar is protected, or the standard of living will plummet very fast. The present rule is that ten per cent of your money/ portfolio should be in precious metals. This doesn't put much pressure on the price, but if they thought that the dollar was doomed, the rush into the precious metals would kill the dollar. So really its all about Gold like it always was. America has to use every tool in its box to protect the dollar, that's why their will be trouble in Venezuela.



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: Kaifan
I think you forgot to read the memo. If your not fighting it, your living the same fakery as everyone else...
What are you doing to fight it?? How is it funded?? Or better yet, how do you fund it??
You do fund it you know, you just need to see the whole picture.

I'm ready to see the fruits of my financing in splendid 4k live stream from 360° drone cameras through the fiber optic direct VR link. Let's get this show started already!!



posted on Feb, 12 2019 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

I do not believe it is reasonable to consider the sanctions against individuals from the area as being somehow differently impactful on the rest of society, than ones which are directed toward organisations or governments. Imagine if a sanctions list targeted all the billionaires in the United States at once, all the so called captains of industry, for some reason. It would have ramifications well beyond their own accounts, businesses and interests.

Its also entirely ridiculous to assume for a second that the sanctions are the only action that has been taken by America, against Venezuela. If they are following their usual playbook, they have covertly applied pressure by way of funding civil unrest in the region, which we will only discover the depth of in the years to come, once the damage has already been done. The US government will also have used EHM tactics (economic hitmen, a term which refers to the use of people who, rather than being professional assassins, are highly skilled at destroying economies by cheating governments out of staggering sums of money) as well as manipulation of markets and speculation habits, to destabilise the region, before this humanitarian crisis ever began.

Of course, the tendency from detractors will be to ask for proof, despite the overwhelming evidence based on an unbroken pattern of behaviour that has existed from the US toward the nations of South America, for basically all of modern history. And, of course, the methods employed by the US are insidious and effective because they can only be proven well after the fact, when the matters have turned from current affairs into historical events, when the damage is already done. So when you ask for clarification on what sanctions I believe are damaging the situation for regular people in Venezuela, I have to answer all of them, and if you ask me to prove my theory, I shall say, very well. Wait ten years.



posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

The US government is the only superpower that could be bought to bear against a nation that posed that level of threat, in order to defeat or control the level of that threat. Unfortunately, it is also the origin point of the vast majority of international distress, whether as a result of the aforementioned influence peddling, arms selling, proxy warring or financial warfare doctrines it has used to maintain its position in the world.

It is the fox that has been recruited, by design, to guard the hen house. Its pretty easy to get away with murder, when you are the one assigned to investigate it.




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