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Tennessee bills would allow adoption agencies to deny LGBT couples on religious grounds

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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:42 AM
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that's pretty much it


Multiple bills filed this week in the Tennessee General Assembly would allow adoption agencies to deny services to same-sex couples based on religious objections.

One bill, filed by Sen. Joey Hensley, R-Hohenwald, and Rep. John Ragan, R-Oak Ridge, specifies that an adoption agency would not be required to provide services to a couple if it would conflict with the agency's "sincerely held religious beliefs," and prevents the state or a local government from taking adverse action against the group.
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same sex couples have been able to adopt for years in britain, a close friend of mine was raised from childhood with 2 'mothers', loving household, never got bullied in school about it, as kids we didn't think about the sleeping arrangements in the house, just enjoyed their loving home, always hot food offered if we called round.
UK childrens homes are worse than a loving family environment in an adopted home, same sex or not in my opinion, but kids are looked after by the local authority here so religious belief doesn't come into it, only the question are they kind, loving, and fit to care for kids.

i can't make my mind up on this one, i'm all for religious freedom but i wonder how many kids could miss out on a loving home. what say you ATS?




posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:47 AM
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My guitar playing friend's son who is , well he likes to sleep with the same sex, adopted a new born baby girl. She should be in her early 20's. I wonder how that worked out.
Can't ask .
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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

well you haven't heard anything bad so probably just grown up happy?



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 05:38 AM
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I think this is a good thing.

I’ve thought about why someone could/would be gay, I don’t believe for a second it’s a choice.
The sexual drive in hardwired into us as a species for very good reason, to reproduce.

If your sexual urges are , for want of a better term, misfiring then that says to me your genes are telling you not to reproduce and you probably shouldn’t be responsible for a child.

For those of you saying you can’t think of any bad examples of same sex couples adopting, there was a gay couple in Oz who were the poster couple for gay adoption, turns out they were raping and pimping the child out for child porn.
The lesbian couple who drove themselves and their 3 adopted kids over the cliff.
These are 2 recent examples that came to mind, I’m sure I’d find more if I did some googlefu
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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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Tennessee bills would allow adoption agencies to deny LGBT couples on religious grounds

And ?
Tennessee US is not Britain
I am a native Georgian.
I am not concerned over bills put forward to vote on in any other State in the Union
If the bill passes , let me know and I will give an opinion

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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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nvm




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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:01 AM
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Some people think allowing non normal people who do things that weren't intended for humans to do for survival of the species, shouldn't need to be influencing young children.

The people who want to bring society to a halt love allowing things that screw with the children's minds. This could be considered CHILD ABUSE to expose them to very abnormal people who are an enigma.

I am on the fence, since I have lots of gay Friends and one family member that for sure is out. They don't have children but if they did I would be having this discussion with them if for no other reason than to say people frown on that more than their gayness by a long shot.

This appears to be about the adoption agency can decide if this violates their consciousness to send a child to be raised by what they might consider are perverts. They are attempting to prevent people from being forced against their own personal beliefs to release children to the care of someone they feel is going to hurt the child, in this case, exposing them to things about abnormal people they are too young to understand.


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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:01 AM
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I do not see this as a big deal...

This is protecting an adoption agency that is religious based from violating their beliefs. It does not pertain to secular adoption agencies.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Of course people could give examples of families with straight mothers and father's who've done the same or worse. Your point is bull#.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: theatreboy
I do not see this as a big deal...

This is protecting an adoption agency that is religious based from violating their beliefs. It does not pertain to secular adoption agencies.
i say make them prove their god is real, in a court of law. If they fail to do so, then their reasons are not good ones.

This will not pass. Lgbt folks are a protected class.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog


Tennessee bills would allow adoption agencies to deny LGBT couples on religious grounds

And ?
Tennessee US is not Britain
I am a native Georgian.
I am not concerned over bills put forward to vote on in any other State in the Union
If the bill passes , let me know and I will give an opinion
sorry, i just saw the story and thought I would share it to see interesting discussion.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: theatreboy
I do not see this as a big deal...

This is protecting an adoption agency that is religious based from violating their beliefs. It does not pertain to secular adoption agencies.
i say make them prove their god is real, in a court of law. If they fail to do so, then their reasons are not good ones.

This will not pass. Lgbt folks are a protected class.


I say, prove to me God is fake.

LGBT should be no more protected than Christians or others of faith.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse

originally posted by: Gothmog


Tennessee bills would allow adoption agencies to deny LGBT couples on religious grounds

And ?
Tennessee US is not Britain
I am a native Georgian.
I am not concerned over bills put forward to vote on in any other State in the Union
If the bill passes , let me know and I will give an opinion
sorry, i just saw the story and thought I would share it to see interesting discussion.

Ridiculous bills are offered up for vote constantly
They only meet my concern for my state , or if they pass in another.
You asked how one felt about it
And I answered
A little rudely I admit
That I apologize for.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

no worries, we're cool

do you think it could pass in TN? it's quite a religious place from what I read.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: theatreboy
I do not see this as a big deal...

This is protecting an adoption agency that is religious based from violating their beliefs. It does not pertain to secular adoption agencies.
i say make them prove their god is real, in a court of law. If they fail to do so, then their reasons are not good ones.

This will not pass. Lgbt folks are a protected class.


I say, prove to me God is fake.

LGBT should be no more protected than Christians or others of faith.
You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist. But anyone with any sense would already know that.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: theatreboy
I do not see this as a big deal...

This is protecting an adoption agency that is religious based from violating their beliefs. It does not pertain to secular adoption agencies.
i say make them prove their god is real, in a court of law. If they fail to do so, then their reasons are not good ones.

This will not pass. Lgbt folks are a protected class.


I say, prove to me God is fake.

LGBT should be no more protected than Christians or others of faith.
i agree. Religious people shouldn’t be a protected class and yet here you are saying that they should be.
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These people are asking for special protection based on their religious beliefs.
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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: Gothmog

no worries, we're cool

do you think it could pass in TN? it's quite a religious place from what I read.

That is up to the State legislators.
Adoption is a State government responsibility
Tennessee , I would imagine , is mostly Baptist or a form .
Religion may be one factor , as there is no separation between church and state
Again , that is a matter for state legislators

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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: theatreboy
I do not see this as a big deal...

This is protecting an adoption agency that is religious based from violating their beliefs. It does not pertain to secular adoption agencies.
i say make them prove their god is real, in a court of law. If they fail to do so, then their reasons are not good ones.

This will not pass. Lgbt folks are a protected class.


I say, prove to me God is fake.

LGBT should be no more protected than Christians or others of faith.
i agree. Religious people shouldn’t be a protected class and yet here you are saying that they should be.

These people are asking for special protection based on their religious beliefs.

Religion is protected
Read the law



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:52 AM
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This case shows two things

People who say they want separation of church and state really wants the state to control the church or maybe the state to be their church

The state shouldn’t let gays adopt, its straight evolution. If the evolution force to have kids was strong enough one would want a partner, where theroratically one could have kids. Adoption is not meant to normalize the anti-evolutionary homosexual relationship

The state also shouldn’t stop an individual if they want to give their kid to a gay couple



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Of course people could give examples of families with straight mothers and father's who've done the same or worse. Your point is bull#.


I totally agree

A few people above me seemed to be implying they couldn’t imagine or hadn’t heard of any horror stories, I merely highlighted 2 that I was aware of.

I was not implying all gay people are monsters who would hurt children, I just don’t think they should be allowed to adopt.
To be fair, quite a few straight people shouldn’t be allowed to adopt or foster either.

In Australia a lot of people foster kids as a way to make money, some of the things I’ve heard make me feel a mix of rage and despair. Abuse and neglect are seemingly par for the course




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