Are The E.U. Panicking Or Just Getting Nasty ?

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
The EU is acting like the problem will go away if they refuse to cooperate. Of course it won't.

But the "problem" as you put it is our British problem, not the EU. We decided to leave the single market so it's our proble.

Sure it's your problem ... but my question would be why do you want to be tied to the hip with partners who would rather see you sink than help you out with your problem?

It's not like you didn't help them out with their problems in the past; now it's their turn to do the right thing just cause it's the right thing to do.

Why exactly? The UK is one of 28 countries currently in the EU, the other 27 all have a say and have to agree to any changes to a deal. We didn't 'help them out with their problems', as member of the same union, the problems were equally ours, surely? The major stumbling block is the backstop arrangement regarding the border between an EU country and a non-EU one and it's one that has been hyper inflated by certain people with a particular agenda.

a reply to: alldaylong

They're simply showing their true colors and proving via real life deeds that the RW opposition is spot on.

From their anti-immigrant positions to completely out of control parasitic bureaucracies, they are right on the money.

The People demand a real change, and history has shown us what happens to governments/individuals in government who try (but fail) to stand in the way of that.

a reply to: alldaylong

Just an opinion from an observer who doesn't have a dog in this fight: From all I have read and seen it seems like the UK's relationship with the EU is like an unhappy marriage that has ended in an ugly divorce. The partner who didn't want the divorce (EU) is like a spiteful ex-wife who will do anything and everything in her power to make the split as difficult for her former partner (UK) as possible so that his spirit, will, self esteem, reputation and financial stability all come into question. Without a plan as of what to do next the ex-hubs (UK) will start to doubt himself and wonder if he will ever get back on his feet but knows he could not go on in the state of inequality and unhappiness he was in and keeps trudging forward. Slowly but surely he will begin to work things out- with the ex (EU) throwing monkey wrenches into the works at every possible opportunity and still he trudges on. After fighting many long and hard battles he will eventually build a new and better life for himself and once again become the man he was before the former relationship had ever begun and be better for it.

Nobody ever said it would be easy. It will take many years of hard work and sacrifice, but always keep an eye to the future and know that eventually life will get better and happiness will prevail.

a reply to: uncommitted

border between an EU country and a non-EU one and it's one that has been hyper inflated by certain people with a particular agenda.

Which makes little sense when you read this

as member of the same union, the problems were equally ours, surely?

There you have it. The people of the UK, not the EU, want to see their country remain the UK. Not turn into an islamic state, or X country refugee state, but a British state made of Brittons called "Great Britain"

There's nothing great about replacing the native/rightful population of a country with foreigners and outsiders. What possible good will come of that? In fact, it is listed as one of the top causes of tension/civil unrest/potential national collapse in a recent US intelligence assessment

These people (like most nationalists) are more concerned with helping their own country/their own people before helping out some foreign national. And in the case of the EU, assuming the "union" part is true, it should be looking out for the EU not some random non-EU country.

Fact is, you can't fix the world's problems. The Citizens of those countries are responsible for their own nation's success and failure, strength or weakness, capability vs. incompetence, etc.

Meanwhile, those of us in the civilized world will continue denouncing the de-nationalizing of individual and sovereign nations.

I can't help but wonder if there was a similar discussion going on in the US in the 1860s.

"Abolish slavery? What a mess. Think about what that will do to the economy. If plantation owners have to pay people to pick cotton, prices will skyrocket. No one will want to buy our goods on the international market. It will destroy our country. Money is more important than freedom."

Of course, they probably didn't use the term "skyrocket" in the 1860s.

originally posted by: DanDanDat
Sure it's your problem ... but my question would be why do you want to be tied to the hip with partners who would rather see you sink than help you out with your problem?

It's not like you didn't help them out with their problems in the past; now it's their turn to do the right thing.

But the EU is a single market. They protect their own industries from dirty Chinese type business tactics, they do that by having the single market. How can we be in the single market when our population has elected to ditch all our neighbours in favour of trade deals with New Zealand and Swaziland the other side of the world. Total madness..................................

Truth be told life is pretty good right now for us in Britain within the EU, now the idiots have decided to throw it all away oh my life you really couldn't make it up. It's like madness has taken over our island.

Plus on the right thing you mention, well the problem is with the EU, it's with our school boy MP's who are playing some insane game with each other and making a complete cock up with Brexit. Our politicians need removing before we remove ourselves from the EU, then some sense could be made of the present.

a reply to: uncommitted

Why is he interfering?

Are you seriously asking that question after reading his comments?

Oh dear.

Seriously, how was the UK doing before the EU? Struggling, Down the Tubes, Good, Fine, OK, Great? I foresee financial troubles during Brexit but the UK will be fine in time. Hang in there and take back control of your own destiny.

a reply to: uncommitted

Why not exactly?

There could be 2 or 100 members in the EU and it wouldn't change the math on common decency.

The situation is not ideal for all involved; the question is how does the EU rise to the occasion?

The EU can prove they are a body worth being a part of; by showing that even in the face of adversity they rise above it and work for the greater good and long term stability of Europe. Letting the you UK leave with a "Sorry to see you go, here are concessions, and we sure hope you return one day and our good will is a down payment on that hope".

Or the EU can prove they are an autocratic bureaucracy worth running away from; by showing that in the face of adversity they are willing to sacrifice relationship with one of the major countries of Europe currently and historically just so they can gloat they got the best deal for the members that are remaining. Letting the UK leave with a "Don't let the door hit your @ss on the way out."

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

To Europe the UK is NOT like the Chinese; to pretend that the EU should treat them as such, even if the UK is making a big mistake by leaving, only proves the UK is right to have decided to leave.

a reply to: alldaylong

"And then I said....."


Tusk has always reminded me of your stereotypical prison camp commander , his words today do nothing to dispel that image.

I don't think his words are a result of panic but fear.

originally posted by: DanDanDat
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

To Europe the UK is NOT like the Chinese; to pretend that the EU should treat them as such, even if the UK is making a big mistake by leaving, only proves the UK is right to have decided to leave.

We are going to open ourselves up to the wolves from abroad through all this jingoistic free trade nonsense. Better in the single market where the constituent nations are somewhat equal, the proof being how good life is here right now within the EU compared to how it was pre EU 1974. Quite simply people have a much better standard of living today than back pre EU days gone by.

a reply to: alldaylong

I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely.

Funny he should say that, that special place in hell he talks about, its called the EU...

that special place in hell is next door along from tusk's wine cellar.

kneepads are mandaTory.

He's exactly right. Good for Tusk.

The EU is cooperating. The stalemate is an internal problem between the Tories and the DUP, with vicious chancers like Real-Smug trying to it pass off as a problem created externally by the Southern Irish and the EU, despite the fact that the Backstop is a British proposal and one they have already committed to.
The only bullying language I hear is from Brexiters towards the their fellow Europeans, and dumbasses are hedging their bets that it will be painful for everyone but them.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

we voted to leave so i expect to leave, all the risks were explained by the remain campaign before the vote, anyone who says they didn't understand the risks either has no comprehension skills, no TV and radio, no letterbox to receive all the doom mail from the remain campaign, or lying.

originally posted by: CharlesT
Hang in there and take back control of your own destiny.

Ah! now we have the comedic pause.......I laugh!

a reply to: smurfy

Laugh all you want but globalism will take your liberty and enslave you.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: smurfy

Laugh all you want but globalism will take your liberty and enslave you.

to be fair the member is from northern ireland and that is a whole can of worms to be decided on, no idea what i'd do to fix that

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Sounds like a gang...blood in...blood out