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Are The E.U. Panicking Or Just Getting Nasty ?

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posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: djz3ro
You seem awfully OK with so many things that are gonna screw us over, I don't get it.


It's just pragmatic to wait and see. So much negative doom-laden reporting over Brexit. No balance, and no challenge. All the economic predictions have been wrong and all the opinion polls are with a pinch-of-salt, and that's a both-way problem. If your worldview is formed by the Guardian, then the word will end.

The fact is that no one will know what will happen. People are predicting the worst as fact.

I have seen economic reports (not usually discussed, because it's inconvenient) that suggest the EU will have some real issues to cope with, not least the fact that they are significantly weakened and reduced without the UK. The EU will need to work to develop a good relationship with the UK, and so far the ideologues are letting the countries they purport to represent down - relationships are two way.

The EU is not Europe and Europe is not the EU. The EU seem to forget.




posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

i noticed all the links the member posted were from the guardian newspaper, i guess if you only read one source of news then you can only come to one conclusion, but for every doom story in the guardian there will be another source elsewhere with a positive spin. crazy how the remainers all think they know what will happen, they don't, no more than any of us do, remainers are dishonest like that spreading fear like they know the future.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK
Yep nonsense and yet here we are... you do not pay the bills? The wife does all that does she??

Cloud Cuckoo Land



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: 83Liberty

More Ignorance.... " European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Council of the European Union then nominates the other 27 members of the Commission in agreement with the nominated President, and the 28 members as a single body are then subject to a vote of approval by the European Parliament." Source Yes, you best teach yourself those basics...

Nothing happens without Parliamentary consensus, it's called democracy. Nothing gets approved without the EU Parliament which we elect.

It's not hard to grasp... May I suggest a cup of coffee, a strong one and have a great big wiff, it may help.

edit on 11-2-2019 by DreamerOracle because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 02:09 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

I have no doubt the EU will suffer as well, to some extent but there's 27 of them to spread any economic hit amongst, we shoulder any financial loss ourselves. But the EU don't have to go and change a bunch of laws and regulations from EU regs to UK ones (I don't trust the tories to honour the laws or human rights as they are) but significantly weakened? I doubt it, weakened slightly, maybe but it's going to hit Britain infinitely harder than the EU.

I guess the difference between the EU and Europe is the same as the difference between the UK and Britain, one is a union of countries and the other is a physical description...



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: DreamerOracle
a reply to: 83Liberty

More Ignorance.... " European Council and elected by the European Parliament. The Council of the European Union then nominates the other 27 members of the Commission in agreement with the nominated President, and the 28 members as a single body are then subject to a vote of approval by the European Parliament." Source Yes, you best teach yourself those basics...

Nothing happens without Parliamentary consensus, it's called democracy. Nothing gets approved without the EU Parliament which we elect.

It's not hard to grasp... May I suggest a cup of coffee, a strong one and have a great big wiff, it may help.

You said... "Oh and I vote for my MEP and they in turn vote for the EU council"
Which is wrong!

I said (to correct you)... "The EU council comprises of the heads of states of the EU member states (i.e. Theresa May for the UK). So no, your MEP doesn't vote for the EU council."
Which is correct!

You do know the EU commission, council and parliament are different things, right?
But you can stay in your delusion.

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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 03:10 AM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: paraphi

i noticed all the links the member posted were from the guardian newspaper, i guess if you only read one source of news then you can only come to one conclusion, but for every doom story in the guardian there will be another source elsewhere with a positive spin. crazy how the remainers all think they know what will happen, they don't, no more than any of us do, remainers are dishonest like that spreading fear like they know the future.


If you look I've linked the Guardian, The Independent, The Times, The Mirror. The Sun and The Herald at various times.

I assume this was aimed at me, though it's quite rude replying to someone to address a post the person you're replying to didn't make...



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 03:52 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro

i only saw your Guardian links in this thread, apologies if you think i am rude, but you do seem biased, i sit on the fence just waiting for whatever happens at the end of march, not sobbing and wailing just in anticipation



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: DreamerOracle
If you think any of us are wrong, please explain why.
You don't seem to even know the basics.
For example...

Oh and I vote for my MEP and they in turn vote for the EU council... Yes sorry, spoiler alert, another big hike domestically this year.

The EU council comprises of the heads of states of the EU member states (i.e. Theresa May for the UK). So no, your MEP doesn't vote for the EU council.


You know Nigel Farage sits on the EU Council, right? He, like others were elected in. You do know there have been EU Elections quite regularly and that is how one becomes a member of the EU Council.

Nigel Farage as a Head of state is a scary prospect....


No NF does not sit on the European Council . Unless it's to let a raucous one out as you just did .

Congratulations : You've qualified for further instant dismissals



edit on 11-2-2019 by DoctorBluechip because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 05:10 AM
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originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: djz3ro

i only saw your Guardian links in this thread, apologies if you think i am rude, but you do seem biased, i sit on the fence just waiting for whatever happens at the end of march, not sobbing and wailing just in anticipation


I don't earn enough to be a Guardian reader. I read whatever news story is appropriate and, if it seems biased, check others too, I don't have one news outlet I go to, I visit most



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 05:13 AM
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originally posted by: DoctorBluechip

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: DreamerOracle
If you think any of us are wrong, please explain why.
You don't seem to even know the basics.
For example...

Oh and I vote for my MEP and they in turn vote for the EU council... Yes sorry, spoiler alert, another big hike domestically this year.

The EU council comprises of the heads of states of the EU member states (i.e. Theresa May for the UK). So no, your MEP doesn't vote for the EU council.


You know Nigel Farage sits on the EU Council, right? He, like others were elected in. You do know there have been EU Elections quite regularly and that is how one becomes a member of the EU Council.

Nigel Farage as a Head of state is a scary prospect....


No NF does not sit on the European Council . Unless it's to let a raucous one out as you just did .

Congratulations : You've qualified for further instant dismissals




Sheesh, I meant European parlimemt.

What a coincidence, your attitude qualifies you for further instant dismissals...



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: SerenTheUniverse
a reply to: djz3ro

i only saw your Guardian links in this thread, apologies if you think i am rude, but you do seem biased, i sit on the fence just waiting for whatever happens at the end of march, not sobbing and wailing just in anticipation


I don't earn enough to be a Guardian reader. I read whatever news story is appropriate and, if it seems biased, check others too, I don't have one news outlet I go to, I visit most
then you will know that other pundits predict the nation will be okay. you only post the doom porn stories though, like that is all you want to believe



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 06:55 AM
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I could go back and forth all day but I don't intend to... The fact of the matter is, I know what will happen on the whole and speak from a point of view many would wish to be in but unfortunately they are not.

Everything is as it should be, everything will turn out as it should. It doesn't mean I shouldn't scream and wave my arms as I plummet down the cliff does it...


You wouldn't be so vehement if you know what I know and have seen what I've seen.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: DreamerOracle

what do you know and what have you seen? i don't believe you know or have seen anything more than any of the rest of us



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: djz3ro

So if any BANKS we bailed out move from the UK

we should burn them all to the ground

any Banks that we bailed out in 2008 fleeing the UK for brexit should be destroyed


Lloyds and RBS are the only two that took government money apparently



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posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: DreamerOracle



The fact of the matter is, I know what will happen on the whole and speak from a point of view many would wish to be in but unfortunately they are not.


Wow.

We bow before your all seeing, all knowing enlightenment.

I fear we are not worthy of your presence.....please grant us more of your knowledge and foresight.


You wouldn't be so vehement if you know what I know and have seen what I've seen.


Please, please share your wisdom with us.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: SerenTheUniverse

Not for this post... needless to say, Brexit??? The least of the West(America) issues in around 3 years time and the UK well that comes sooner. Political weakness and uncertainty have a very, VERY negative effect on the UK economy. Let alone the fact we have absolutely zero, nada, nothing in the way of natural resources. No way to fund a recovery... It will be an extremely slow process of gradual inclination to a flat economy akin to Greece, nothing but Tourists.

Btw these aren't theories, these are going to happen...

To explain in brief... You are stood at the end of your street, a car pulls in and drives the length of it and leaves, how do you know it wasn't going to stop midway?? Me?? Although I'm stood next to you on the street "Now", I'm also at the other end by the time that car approaches and leaves"Now". That explains it simply. Not really on topic, my apologies.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: DreamerOracle

Please reveal how you come by this breath taking, awesome enlightenment.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: DreamerOracle
a reply to: SprocketUK
Yep nonsense and yet here we are... you do not pay the bills? The wife does all that does she??

Cloud Cuckoo Land




Wanna try again mate? Your post is not making any sense. Totally unsure what my wife has to do with oil prices. Maybe she leads some double life and is really in charge of OPEC?



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: DreamerOracle
Let alone the fact we have absolutely zero, nada, nothing in the way of natural resources.

But it's not a fact at all

The UK has a variety of natural resources...
Geological: coal, petroleum, natural gas, limestone, chalk, gypsum, silica, rock salt, clay, iron ore, tin, silver, gold, lead, trees etc
Agricultural: arable land, wheat, barley, sheep, fish etc
Renewable: sunlight, wind, waves
Geography of the United Kingdom

I wouldn't describe all that as "absolutely zero, nada, nothing".



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