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‘Always Been Dirty’: Nearly Every Organization Associated With Trump Under Investigation

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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
You seem to forget that the media, and the Democrat supporters, are also 'America',

No, they aren't, and that is the point.

Socialists (and the other related 'ists') are not 'America', they are 'Anti-America'.


Take a look around you.

America, as a national identity, covers more than one particular viewpoint and is multi-cultural.

Ultra-nationalists are in the minority. As are Socialists.

The vast majority of Americans just want to get on with their lives and aren't that interested in party politics. They will change their votes according to who they see as the better candidate in giving them the prosperity and lifestyle that they fairly work for and deserve.

If you are a partisan party follower, then perhaps you are the one who is not representative of what it means to be an average 'American'? Have you thought of that?




posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: thedigirati

Obama was stumping for Hillary Clinton.
He had a very fine line to tread so as not to look like he was pushing an agenda.
He did what he could without treading on trump or his campaign at the time.
The investigations only started later.

Look at the way you guys go after him for the FISA warrant on Carter Page. Imagine if he had come down harder on what was suspected?
And then of course the whole thing was denied by the right for another year before some finally accepted the findings and still many will not.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Dont you know....


Its in one of those fifty-five thousand sealed indictments..... Shhhhh.
📜






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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Duderino
California has 12.1% of the USA population (39.5m out of 325.7m) and 10.2% of the Electoral College (55 out of 538). So California is getting a bit screwed and is getting under-represented at the moment.

Ahem... actually, since Cali only represents 4.31% of the land mass, I would argue that 10.2% is a dramatic over-representation.


Land mass doesn't vote. Nor does it have a representative in office.

You know, "government for the people and by the people".



In any case, what 3 million are you talking about? And can you link to any legit info that shows how many illegals voted in California?

If there were any 'legit info' proving the massive illegal alien vote fraud, many high ranking government officials would be in jail (or, if I had my way, hung for Treason). Since they control the machinery that could prove their crimes, they of course choose not to provide said info.

There really needs to be a very clear cut method and system for maintaining the integrity of the system. Right now, there isn't.


So, your suggestion that you hang government members, based upon charges for which no-one has actual evidence, is not itself treason against the US Government?

The US government is a Democratic Republic, with three branches that have right of veto against each other and as a regulative balance - to keep them honest. This system is Constitutionally mandated and is working effectively to maintain the Constitutional dictates and rights of citizens.

The type of government you seem to want is a tyranny unconstrained by legal process or a balance of separate branches. You appear to be un-American and a traitor against the government of the US and the Constitution for which it stands.

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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
Take a look around you.

America, as a national identity, covers more than one particular viewpoint and is multi-cultural.

I wasn't talking about the different kinds of people who happen to inhabit the country right now.

I was talking about the nature of the American experiment, recognizing the natural Rights and Liberties inherent to all men (and women).


Ultra-nationalists are in the minority. As are Socialists.

Thankfully - and their beliefs are 100% diametrically opposed to the great principles embodied by this once great nation.


The vast majority of Americans just want to get on with their lives and aren't that interested in party politics. They will change their votes according to who they see as the better candidate in giving them the prosperity and lifestyle that they fairly work for and deserve.

Actually, most voters will vote for whoever they think will give them the most and best stuff. In other words, they aren't Americans in spirit.


If you are a partisan party follower, then perhaps you are the one who is not representative of what it means to be an average 'American'? Have you thought of that?

I've thought about how ridiculous it is to try to explain things to some people, especially when they are incapable of rational thought.

Who said anything about 'the average 'American''?



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Starhooker

ummmm arent you here?



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: whywhynot

Your sentence is grammatically incorrect and I don't understand what you are saying.
Sorry.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Oldtimer2

The media does not make up stuff. Thats the problem.... its all REAL YIKES!



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
Take a look around you.

America, as a national identity, covers more than one particular viewpoint and is multi-cultural.

I wasn't talking about the different kinds of people who happen to inhabit the country right now.

I was talking about the nature of the American experiment, recognizing the natural Rights and Liberties inherent to all men (and women).


Ultra-nationalists are in the minority. As are Socialists.

Thankfully - and their beliefs are 100% diametrically opposed to the great principles embodied by this once great nation.


The vast majority of Americans just want to get on with their lives and aren't that interested in party politics. They will change their votes according to who they see as the better candidate in giving them the prosperity and lifestyle that they fairly work for and deserve.

Actually, most voters will vote for whoever they think will give them the most and best stuff. In other words, they aren't Americans in spirit.


If you are a partisan party follower, then perhaps you are the one who is not representative of what it means to be an average 'American'? Have you thought of that?

I've thought about how ridiculous it is to try to explain things to some people, especially when they are incapable of rational thought.

Who said anything about 'the average 'American''?


You are seriously suggesting that the average American doesn't define what it is to be American?




posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
Land mass doesn't vote. Nor does it have a representative in office.

You know, "government for the people and by the people".

Yeah, I know, it was tongue in cheek, but I get that you didn't get it.

People like you will never get that a few large cities in a few States have no business dictating to the rest of the country.

People like you will never understand the difference between a dumbocracy, and a Constitutional Republic.


So, your suggestion that you hang government members, based upon charges for which no-one has actual evidence, is not itself treason against the US Government?

Try replying to what I actually wrote, instead of what you thought you read.

Did you miss the first 13 words of that sentence?


The US government is a Democratic Republic,
No, it is a Constitutional Republic

]quote]with three branches that have right of veto against each other

The President has the power of the Veto, but the others don't. They each have their own delegated powers, duties and obligations.


This system is Constitutionally mandated and is working effectively to maintain the Constitutional dictates and rights of citizens.

Effectively? Really? We have legalized theft (income taxation and forfeiture laws), legalized bribery (lobbying laws), legalized extortion (recipients of government welfare), etc etc...

No, I don't see it working effectively to maintain my Rights, but it is certainly working effectively to strip me of my Rights.


The type of government you seem to want is a tyranny unconstrained by legal process or a balance of separate branches. You appear to be un-American and a traitor against the government of the US and the Constitution for which it stands.

And you seem to be having a conversation with yourself.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
You are seriously suggesting that the average American doesn't define what it is to be American?

Right now, yes. There are still a lot of us out there though, otherwise Trump wouldn't have gotten elected.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

In your imagination.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

8 tracks, coal and dial up service .....



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
Land mass doesn't vote. Nor does it have a representative in office.

You know, "government for the people and by the people".

Yeah, I know, it was tongue in cheek, but I get that you didn't get it.

People like you will never get that a few large cities in a few States have no business dictating to the rest of the country.

People like you will never understand the difference between a dumbocracy, and a Constitutional Republic.


People like you can never seem to define who people like me, actually are.





So, your suggestion that you hang government members, based upon charges for which no-one has actual evidence, is not itself treason against the US Government?

Try replying to what I actually wrote, instead of what you thought you read.

Did you miss the first 13 words of that sentence?


No, I re-stated it, connecting your suggestion that people should be hung for treason but based upon absent evidence.

I was replying to what you wrote and I did read and comprehend it in its entirety.



The US government is a Democratic Republic,


No, it is a Constitutional Republic


Your term applies to the US system, as does 'democratic republic' as well as 'constitutional democracy'.

You are trying to obfuscate the name of the opposition party from your definitions and it isn't valid argument because the US system amalgamates many positive political principles.

Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy? By Eugene Volokh of the UCLA School of Law



with three branches that have right of veto against each other

The President has the power of the Veto, but the others don't. They each have their own delegated powers, duties and obligations.


Presidential executive orders have recently been ruled unconstitutional by the judiciary and vetoed. The separate branches each have mechanisms of veto. The legislative can block bills, supply (funding) and to a small extent, EO's. The judiciary can rule against bills and EO's. The executive can veto the actions of the others and block supply (shut down government).



This system is Constitutionally mandated and is working effectively to maintain the Constitutional dictates and rights of citizens.

Effectively? Really? We have legalized theft (income taxation and forfeiture laws)


Sixteenth amendment to the Constitution


, legalized bribery (lobbying laws)


Wasn't Obama (among others) against that?


, legalized extortion (recipients of government welfare),


Are you suggesting that those who require welfare, usually the poorest of the poor, are actually extorting their handouts?


etc etc...

No, I don't see it working effectively to maintain my Rights, but it is certainly working effectively to strip me of my Rights.


Like with approvals for NSA spying? Doesn't that come from the executive? Has Trump refused to sign off to the NSA's surveillance?



The type of government you seem to want is a tyranny unconstrained by legal process or a balance of separate branches. You appear to be un-American and a traitor against the government of the US and the Constitution for which it stands.

And you seem to be having a conversation with yourself.


Probably.

That doesn't make the execution of members of the legislative, based upon hearsay, constitutional.



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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
You are seriously suggesting that the average American doesn't define what it is to be American?

Right now, yes. There are still a lot of us out there though, otherwise Trump wouldn't have gotten elected.


Trump's PR is that he embodies the American ideals, however many of Trump's EO's have been ruled unconstitutional and blocked.

Is a 'true American' someone who ignores the constitution, despite taking oath specifically to uphold it above all else?



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: whywhynot

Your sentence is grammatically incorrect and I don't understand what you are saying.
Sorry.


Oh you did understand and it is eating you. Good.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
You are seriously suggesting that the average American doesn't define what it is to be American?

Right now, yes. There are still a lot of us out there though, otherwise Trump wouldn't have gotten elected.


Trump's PR is that he embodies the American ideals, however many of Trump's EO's have been ruled unconstitutional and blocked.

Is a 'true American' someone who ignores the constitution, despite taking oath specifically to uphold it above all else?


So you are telling us that you really care about what a true American is? You don’t sound much like a true New Zealander to me. Or are you?



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
You are seriously suggesting that the average American doesn't define what it is to be American?

Right now, yes. There are still a lot of us out there though, otherwise Trump wouldn't have gotten elected.


Trump's PR is that he embodies the American ideals, however many of Trump's EO's have been ruled unconstitutional and blocked.

Is a 'true American' someone who ignores the constitution, despite taking oath specifically to uphold it above all else?


So you are telling us that you really care about what a true American is? You don’t sound much like a true New Zealander to me. Or are you?


The world is not an economic vacuum. Even a little nation at the edge of the world is concerned with the attitudes of the citizens of an economic super power.

We'd likely survive, but it wouldn't be good times for anybody here.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
People like you can never seem to define who people like me, actually are.

That is easy - people incapable of rational thought, believing only what they want to believe in spite of facts to the contrary.


No, I re-stated it, connecting your suggestion that people should be hung for treason but based upon absent evidence.

I was replying to what you wrote and I did read and comprehend it in its entirety.

See what I mean?

The above merely substantiates my point that you are incapable of rational thought and comprehending what someone else writes, otherwise, you would understand that this qualifier:

"If there were any 'legit info' proving the massive illegal alien vote fraud,...", means exactly the opposite of what you said - '... based upon absent evidence...'.

How, pray tell, can you equate 'legit info proving something', to 'no evidence'?

You really should stop, the hole you are digging is gonna collapse and bury you.

- snip the ridiculous tripe from the WaPo about the nature of our Constitutional Republic -

(quote from some legitimate sources and maybe I'll listen - Elliots Debates, The Federalist (and Anti-Federalist) Papers, etc.)


Presidential executive orders have recently been ruled unconstitutional by the judiciary and vetoed.

Not understanding the difference between a Veto and a court ruling.


The separate branches each have mechanisms of veto.

By all means, point to the Veto power of each branch (I already acknowledge the Presidents limited Veto power) authorized by The Constitution.


The legislative can block bills,

This is not a Veto power, this is a legislative power.


supply (funding)

How is a bill supplying funding an example of Veto power?


and to a small extent, EO's. The judiciary can rule against bills and EO's. The executive can veto the actions of the others

The President has Veto power over bills passed by Congress that arrive at his desk.

Congress has the potential power to over-ride such Vetos.


Sixteenth amendment to the Constitution

Was ruled by the Supreme Court to not have changed anything in the original Constitution, it merely limited the power of the Courts.

And it had zero to do with one of the most capricious and arbitrary (and evil) powers assumed by this tyrannical government - the forfeiture laws.


Are you suggesting that those who require welfare, usually the poorest of the poor, are actually extorting their handouts?

Are they or are they not the recipients of property that was taken at gunpoint from others?


Like with approvals for NSA spying? Doesn't that come from the executive? Has Trump refused to sign off to the NSA's surveillance?

You ass-u-me that I approve of everything he does. I do not, and his lack of action regarding The Patriot Act and all it entails, as well as his recent (deep state) pick for AG, are all terrible decisions.


That doesn't make the execution of members of the legislative, based upon hearsay, constitutional.

Again showing just how irrational you are (since I proved beyond a doubt above that this is not even remotely close to what I said.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
Trump's PR is that he embodies the American ideals, however many of Trump's EO's have been ruled unconstitutional and blocked.

By radical activist judges, later overruled by the Supreme Court, yes.


Is a 'true American' someone who ignores the constitution, despite taking oath specifically to uphold it above all else?

By all means, provide some examples of Trump specifically ignoring the Constitution.




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