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Michael Moore says Dems need to accept far-left Ocasio-Cortez as party leader

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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Raggedyman

You were whinging that wealthy people will take their money offshore.

I said good riddance.

Any questions?


Yeah, when's the last time a poor person signed your paycheck?

Good riddance? Yeah, and all the prosperity they bring too.




posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Ok just a side but that's an attitude that really annoys me. Somehow the rich have managed to convince people that we should be grateful to them for creating jobs and kiss the feet of the elite for providing an opportunity to work for them.

This is bull#. Complete and utter bollocks. Every cent of profit any of the elite get are on the sweat of the brow of their workers. Without them the rich and elite have NOTHING because they cannot possibly do it all on their own.

Yet more and more the rich take and take from their workers, refusing to keep up with inflation and find more and more ways to pay people less and then have the nerve to accuse the workers of wanting to steal from them for simply trying to get what they are owed for the work they do that the rich rely on for their way of life.

The rich are even experimenting in some places on building businesses where people live at work and trying to sell it as some kind of new living style of the future.

They are working on rebranding slavery and trying to convince us to be grateful to our masters.

That said Moore and Cortez are crazy, but I'm so sick of the kiss the feet of and be grateful for the elite mentality. It completely demasculates the working man and spits in the face of what should be a mutually beneficial alliance of mutual respect. Something the elite and rich have forgotten seeming to think we are nothing more than their beasts of burden.
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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

The rich do not "take" from their workers.

Your are compensated for the work you're hired to do.

No one starts a company for the sake of hiring people.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

There's a fine line between being compensated and being taken advantage of.

A slave is 'compensated' with food and roof over their head. Does that excuse their slavery?

People need to work to live. This often forces people to accept being taken advantage of to make ends meet. Taking advantage of someone else for your benefit is no gift.
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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: projectvxn

There's a fine line between being compensated and being taken advantage of.

A slave is 'compensated' with food and roof over their head. Does that excuse their slavery?

People need to work to live. This often forces people to accept being taken advantage of to make ends meet. Taking advantage of someone else for your benefit is no gift.

hat an overblown mass generalization, lol if you feel like a "slave" quit. Employers are looking everywhere for new employees. Salaries and benefits are better than in years.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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www.foxnews.com...
Even some of the dem leaders are questioning the soundness of the "soak the rich" tax policy



New York state is facing a $2.3 billion budget deficit

How will that new "health care for all nyc residents work out in this climate?


"We've set up reserves, but this is worse than we had anticipated," Cuomo said at a state Capitol news conference in Albany on Monday after referring to the fiscal situation as being "as serious as a heart attack."

Perhaps the state should have sought other revenue streams?


“This is the flip side. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. The rich leave, and now what do you do?” — -Andrew Cuomo



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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no what them democrats need to do is what they should have done during the last Presidential election. and that is to correct what the communist party did years ago by folding in with the democrats. and split off as their own party once again. although i would highly expect them to rename the party as they have rebranded themselves as the Democratic Socialist Party. the question is who should be the leader of that party? should it be Bernie, or AOC? it was obvious even back then that the democrat party was suffering from a huge and pretty much insurmountable Chasm, between the more traditional democrats who wanted Hillary as President and the communists who wanted Bernie as President. so much so that a lot of people were stating they would refuse to vote for the other candidate if they won the primaries, on both sides of that chasm. that said to me then, as things like this do now, that there are irreconcilable differences between the factions, and thus a "divorce" is called for.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Raggedyman

You were whinging that wealthy people will take their money offshore.

I said good riddance.

Any questions?


Yeah, when's the last time a poor person signed your paycheck?

Good riddance? Yeah, and all the prosperity they bring too.


The only thing worse than blaming rich folk for all ones problems, is worshipping rich folk and saying they are the answers to all our problems.

How many countless times did wealthy men lobby their way into changing and/or creating laws?

Remember Enron? A rich man got the rules changed and ended up ruining countless lives.


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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Just tax the rich properly. Corporations and rich folk have so many loopholes to get off from paying their fair share. Somehow that's okay because we have to pray for trickle down to compensate...

Yet , I've seen many cases where trickle down doesn't happen. Remember trump's tax cuts? How many corporations give bonuses to executives, yet kept their low end workers wages the same?

Rich getting richer with the blind hope that trickle down will save the poor. Great Republican motto.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: putnam6

That right there is exactly what I'm talking about. People can't just quit and everytime someone says that it's absurd. People need to eat, people need a roof over their heads. You just act like people can just shrug and walk away from work like it's a choice between chocolate or vanilla ice cream.

There's only so many decent paying jobs out there and every day there are fewer of them replaced by jobs that offer less and less. People don't have the ability to stop working until they feel like getting a job just willy nilly.

You are probably the type that bitches about welfare but it's your attitude towards the work force which is why so many are on it.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

I'm still not sure how she got into public office.


The same way Trump did, the people who expected to win not paying attention to the electorate.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: blueman12

I said nothing of the sort.

Next.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

I dont have the time to argue with defeatists.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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I agree with Michael Moore on this. Because would you rather have a liberal like Nancy Pelosi who is thinking everything that Cortez is saying. I trust Cortez, because she's telling you, truthfully, what she believes, rather than Nancy Pelosi who is a career politician and does things behind your back with hidden agendas and back room deals.

Also consider this. What is the difference between a republican and a democrat...the ones in congress. Is there really a difference between Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnel? Was there really a big difference between Obama and Bush? And truthfully, was there really that much of a difference between Trump and Hillary?

I'd like something different than the current currupt Demepubs adn republicrats



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:51 AM
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Isn't Michael Moore worth like $50 million or something? I'm sure he will change his tune when he sees his own personal wealth taxed away. However, I am sure he is like most liberals, thinks the pundits/politicians are talking about other people's money, not their own money...

If he truly feels this way, he needs to immediately just give away all his wealth to show he really means it...



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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Regardless of what one thinks of AOC, she’s inexperienced life and work wise, and especially politically. This is no insult to her, but it would be foolish to hand the reigns of the party to her this early in her career.

Also Michael Moore is a joke. I can’t believe I used to respect him. I guess maybe he was better in his Fahrenheit 911 days. Probably if I rewatched it I’d rethink that lol.

a reply to: xuenchen


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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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Lots of us lefties think he’s an idiot.
a reply to: caterpillage



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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I think she just has a case of youthful radicalism and idealism. I was pretty much an AOC type for much of my young adulthood.

However, it goes to show why life and professional experience matter. She’s too young and needs more exp.
a reply to: snowspirit



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14


Also Michael Moore is a joke. I can’t believe I used to respect him. I guess maybe he was better in his Fahrenheit 911 days. Probably if I rewatched it I’d rethink that lol.


In his old films he'd bring up important stuff, but do it in a way and with a tone so that Republican voter types would be highly irritated by him, all to such degrees that by the time its over the entire point would be entirely lost on half the viewers. But he sure would stick it to those republican types out there way to go champ!




posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:39 PM
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Right, and in many fields it can take a while to find another decent job.

With the vast differential in power between employers (especially powerful or wealthy ones) and employees, it’s totally disingenuous for people to act like it’s all on the employee for accepting bad terms/pay or not seeking elsewhere. There are also employer virtual blacklists.

The same people who claim that employees should take responsibility and strive for better opportunities, and are to blame for their lot, are the same that are anti union and labor organizing.


a reply to: Puppylove


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