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Colorado Senate Passes Bill Nixing Electoral College in Favor of Popular Vote

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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With regard to the person instrumental in creating this 'compact:'


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John Koza:


Works by Koza

Koza, J.R. (1990). Genetic Programming: A Paradigm for Genetically Breeding Populations of Computer Programs to Solve Problems, Stanford University Computer Science Department technical report STAN-CS-90-1314. A thorough report, possibly used as a draft to his 1992 book.
Koza, J.R. (1992). Genetic Programming: On the Programming of Computers by Means of Natural Selection, MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-11170-5
Koza, J.R. (1994). Genetic Programming II: Automatic Discovery of Reusable Programs, MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-11189-6
Koza, J.R.; Goldberg, David; Fogel, David; & Riolo, Rick, (Eds.) (1996). Genetic Programming 1996: Proceedings of the First Annual Conference (Complex Adaptive Systems), MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-61127-9
Koza, J.R.; Deb, K.; Dorigo, M.; Fogel, D.; Garzon, M.; Iba, H.; & Riolo, R., (Eds.) (1997). Genetic Programming 1997: Proceedings of the Second Annual Conference, Morgan Kaufmann. ISBN 1-55860-483-9
Koza, J.R.; & Others (Eds.)(1998). Genetic Programming 1998, Morgan Kaufmann Publishers. ISBN 1-55860-548-7
Koza, J.R.; Bennett, F.H.; Andre, D.; & Keane, M.A. (1999). Genetic Programming III: Darwinian Invention and Problem Solving, Morgan Kaufmann. ISBN 1-55860-543-6
Koza, J.R.; Keane, M.A.; Streeter, M.J.; Mydlowec, W.; Yu, J.; & Lanza, G. (2003). Genetic Programming IV: Routine Human-Competitive Machine Intelligence, Springer. ISBN 1-4020-7446-8
Koza, J.R.; Fadem,B.; Grueskin, M.; Mandell, M.S.; Richi, R.; & Zimmerman, J. F. (2011, third edition) [Every Vote Equal: A State-Based Plan For Electing The President By National Popular Vote] National Popular Vote Press. ISBN 978-0-9790107-2-9


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His primary work was on AI, indeed he is only the second person in the U.S. to have received a degree in computer science.

And:


John R. Koza is a computer scientist and a former consulting professor at Stanford University, most notable for his work in pioneering the use of genetic programming for the optimization of complex problems. He was a cofounder of Scientific Games Corporation, a company which built computer systems to run state lotteries in the United States. John Koza is also credited with being the creator of the 'scratch card' with the help of retail promotions specialist Daniel Bower.


Scientific Games Corporation:


The security of Autotote software for the racing industry garnered media attention in 2002 when one of their software developers attempted to steal $3 million through a hole in their software and processes described as "... an example of a very simple exploitation of a rather stupid design flaw." [13] The role of Autotote's software in the 2002 Breeders' Cup betting scandal caused the National Thoroughbred Racing Association to take swift action in the face of a growing outcry once the nature of the scam emerged. It required all tote companies to modify their software to allow bets to be forwarded immediately after a race closed.[22] The Autotote racing division was sold to Sportech PLC in 2010.


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So we have this guy who invented the scratch off lottery ticket, is involved in horse racing software, and works on AI pushing for all of these states to join a compact in which the national popular vote could override the wishes of the states within said compact.

Is it just me, or is there something hinkey here?




posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: sine.nomine


Twenty-eight other states, like Washington, require presidential electors to stick with the candidate they pledged to support. Some states will not count faithless votes. Others allow parties to replace faithless electors with alternates. And still others, like Washington, levy fines.


thehill.com...

Ok thanks! I think I misunderstood your post. I appreciate the response!



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:52 PM
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Popular vote = very bad.

If we ever vote ourselves into a literal democracy, the right would be a minority in Government forever as our population rises. More citizens equals more people with less money than you have, voting for whats best for them right now. They're not going to listen to ideas like being okay with the boss paying you less is good for everyone because the boss gets to hire more people, improve and expand the workplace. They wont believe by getting less Government assistance that they're making the nation stronger because it has more money to spend on defense.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: r0xor

A "literal democracy" means that laws are created by popular vote rather than a representative legislature bound by a Constitution. It means no Congress. That would indeed require radical changes to the Constitution (throwing it out) but that is not what this is.

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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So....why do the people from Colorado even have to vote if their congressmen are going to vote for whomever wins the most votes in the country? Seems like they are saying that their state's population's vote does not even count.

Maybe the politicians in Colorado have been using a little too much cannabis. Maybe the people who elected them are using too much of that mind altering, intelligence blocking substance. Yes, cannabis dumbs you down, lowering people's ability to reason well. That is not one of it's listed medical benefits. It is a side effect.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

roflol sorry don't want Cal-if/or-nia or the New-York-Corks running the whole country.

Mob rule is what ruined Vene-zoo-elia 🤣


Rule by the one is the opposite end of the spectrum to rule by the many.

Mob rule and Democracy are as related to each other as dictatorship relates to tyranny.


Really? Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting what to have for lunch.


No it isn't.

Just like autocracy isn't one wolf selecting its meal from a number of penned lambs or Republicanism isn't a few wolves selecting their lamb dinners.


One person, one vote. That's what you said. Now you are waffling making no sense. The only reason you don't like the electoral college is because you lost last time. If the opposite had happened, a very easy thing to do, either we wouldn't be hearing a peep out of you or you'd be telling us how important the electoral college is.


I didn't loose.

I'm not and American and I don't support the Democratic Party.

I'm just speaking what I believe is the truth. I believe in flat taxation based upon productivity, too. For similar reasons, it is a simpler system and more resistant to corruption.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut




Fairer, truer to the actual population of America, and harder to manipulate corruptly.


How?

Democracy encourages mob rule (corruption) and is the main reason why we have a representative republic.


Corruption is usually one person taking advantage, sometimes criminally, of a system designed to achieve fairness.

You talk of corruption being mob rule, but who takes the advantage if the perks are distributed among the populace?

Surely that is why government exists?



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

You are confusing congressmen with electors.

Congressmen are elected by popular vote to serve in Congress and are excluded by the Constitution from being electors.

Electors are generally selected by political party committees in each state. Weird, huh?


Colorado is the 13th state to join the pact.




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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: Phage

But is this past legal?
Seems to me to be an end run to subvert the Constitution?



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:10 PM
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Seems to me to be an end run to subvert the Constitution?

I don't think so.

The Constitution just states how electoral votes are cast and who is excluded from being an elector. Nothing in the Constitution which says anything about how electors should vote. Nothing about the general citizenry being involved in the process.

I doubt that enough states will sign on to make it effective, but who knows. It's a wild world.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut

One person - one vote.

Fairer, truer to the actual population of America, and harder to manipulate corruptly.

Of course, those who want an embedded autocracy don't want it!



Why do you feel like dictating what Americans should do? What do you do with 50 independent but equal states? Its like suggesting EU become one country, do you agree with that too?


Honestly, I really have no skin in the game, but I what happens in America does have an effect on the rest of the world.

Especially with the way the US tries to enforce itself all over the place.

Despite the bait and switch that the EC represents, the final truth is that out of the approximately 230 million voters, only 270 person votes determine who is your President and Vice President.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:20 PM
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What I find interesting and amusing was there was very little to no prior conversation about this amongst the actual citizens of Colorado (at least front and center) before they decided to bring to the floor, and vote on this.

Then again, the state senate was swept by a lot more transplant Californian votes, and socialist drum-beaters.

Mostly it's the people in 3 major population centers in Colorado that 'control' the state. Denver, Colorado Springs, and Ft. Collins. The rest of the state is ignored.

They tried to pass a bunch of crap laws in the last election cycle that would make the Democrat vote even more powerful, and they all pretty much passed.

Welcome to Calirado.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: Cygnis

Big city mob rule !!

😎



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:37 PM
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When President Trump wins the popular vote in 2020 (more than likely) the dems, once again, again, again, will change their tune.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: Cygnis

Seems the idea has been around for a while.
www.nationalpopularvote.com...

But the bill is not yet law and it's been shot down before.

Hmm, your House seems to be quite blue though.

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I understand your position and see your point. However, where does this exist in government. US or otherwise?



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Very much so, xuenchen.

What annoys the #@$# out of me is the fact that all the crap the big cities vote for impacts the rest of us poorly. Given that the economy is oil/gas and agriculture... You can imagine how these city idiots are trying to just destroy the state with higher taxes, and more restrictions on agriculture, oil and gas.

On a state that was founded on hunting/tapping and fishing, we also have huge restrictions there too.




posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:45 PM
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Look up Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt and look at what was implemented just before and after them. The Progressive movement got it's start there.

Issue was as time went on Republicans wanted for all and Democrats wanted control. Look at who was in office till JFK. Eisenhower warned us as a country and it was affirmed with JFK, MLK and RFK. The day the music died so to speak.

All that was left was to allow those who knew of the past to pass away and indoctrinate those who would usher in their 100 year plan.

Trump screwed that all up...

The electoral college is in place to protect the country from misrepresentation. I still think each state should have one electoral vote. LOL. Trump carried 30 states. It works.

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:53 PM
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Not a mention of this being done in the news either, on Channel 4 and Channel 7 (two most popular channels in CO).

Big one being talked about is a bill that changes how 'sex ed' is taught to kids (I don't even wanna read it).

So.. This isn't making news in Colorado.. it's being kept under wraps.

What a crime.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

I understand your position and see your point. However, where does this exist in government. US or otherwise?


Purportedly democratic systems of government cover the majority of the current world.

Yes, the US is a republic, it is also lays claim to being democracy, too.

They concepts are not mutually exclusive.

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