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Colorado Senate Passes Bill Nixing Electoral College in Favor of Popular Vote

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Your source:

In United States presidential elections, a faithless elector is a member of the United States Electoral College who does not vote for the presidential or vice-presidential candidate for whom they had pledged to vote.


In states that are part of the pact, the electors will (presumably) pledge to vote for the winner of the "popular vote." They will therefore not fit the definition of faithless elector.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This is as unconstitutional as it can be and will be struck down. The only purpose of such a law is to subvert the entirety of the electoral college. The electoral college is codified in the constitution and their attempt to undermine it will fail. They need an amendment to get rid of it and that amendment needs 3/4's of the states to sign on. Sorry NY/Cali you already have too much power.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:55 PM
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Don't count on the Scotus for snip.

Seriously.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite




The electoral college is codified in the constitution and their attempt to undermine it will fail.

It is in the Constitution, indeed. But there is nothing in there about how electors are expected to vote.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

One person - one vote.

Fairer, truer to the actual population of America, and harder to manipulate corruptly.

Of course, those who want an embedded autocracy don't want it!



Why do you feel like dictating what Americans should do? What do you do with 50 independent but equal states? Its like suggesting EU become one country, do you agree with that too?



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: Phage

So create a LAW that tells people how to vote!!!!

Yay 'democracy'.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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How long will a state remain in the pact after they find they have to give their Electoral Votes to a candidate who did not win a majority in their state?



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: Phage


As in the pact as well as the constitution, nothing there to force them to vote a certain way.

Party lines probably being the best indicator.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:59 PM
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electoral college exists as a limiter on the majority because if you look at most any community of any size they tend to bully the minority or pressure them because they feel superior therefore they are always correct and justified because they hold the superior position.

human nature is dangerous if left unchecked and no democracy that has succeeded is a pure democracy, there's limiters in every democratic state to restrain humanity's authoritarian tendencies that arise among the mob.

it's why communism which is a pure democratic ideology always fails, because it has no limits like western Democratic systems do and ambitious people quickly take advantage of it and centralize their power and usurp the will of the people. it's like telling people with ambitions that they have the green light to trick people into giving up everything to them without consequences.

only two outcomes if it was abolished, either America becomes a full on fascist empire or America collapses into civil war between the states. that's it. large nations need decentralization to stay together, if not then civil war will become common and divides will become more pronounced until one day it all collapses without anyone even noticing until it's too late.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: neo96




So create a LAW that tells people how to vote!!!!

Many (most?) states have such laws regarding their electors.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:59 PM
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In case some people missed it.

Telling people how to vote is vote fixing.

Both unconstitutional, and immoral.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Actually, I think faithless votes are illegal in some states.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

It is in the Constitution, indeed. But there is nothing in there about how electors are expected to vote.


Talk about a slap in the face of the citizens in your state if your state votes one way and your electors vote another.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Irrelevant.

In Sanders V DNC the left is a corporation which does not 'owe' people anything.

IE.

Presidential elections are about selling a corporate product. Last go round those corporate products were Trump/Clinton.

So the mob gets to decide, and not the EC.

How about hell mofo no no.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JinMI

Actually, I think faithless votes are illegal in some states.

Can you site such a law from any state. I'm honestly curious and not trying to call you out or anything.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Doesn't matter. The purpose of such a compact is to take power from other states, for yourself. No state has that power.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JinMI

Actually, I think faithless votes are illegal in some states.


1000 dollar fine? Sounds like a petty slap on the proverbial wrist.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine


Twenty-eight other states, like Washington, require presidential electors to stick with the candidate they pledged to support. Some states will not count faithless votes. Others allow parties to replace faithless electors with alternates. And still others, like Washington, levy fines.


thehill.com...



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

I guess.

But the framers of the Constitution didn't seem to think that the citizens would have much to do with electing the president in the first place.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:07 PM
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Washington, D.C. — The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee met in Providence, R.I. on Friday, June 8 and declared a new rule that allows the party to block presidential candidates from running on the Democratic ballot.


www.forapeoplesparty.org...

How bout the left start giving people a fair process before abolishing snip?

Too much to ask, I know.







 
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