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What Existed before light was made here? Where did the CREATOR of Light come from?

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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Sounds to me like Gods a Boltzmann Brain.


Guess chance, after all, is a fine thing indeed.

Only semi-clever little monkeys, you see we don't do to well in a group, and repeatedly crap all over our own doorstep.




posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13


What Existed before light? Text

You may never know because we only know that which has been written by others who actually do not know. Moses gathered much of his Torah from various sources as well as writing some of his own perspectives. In the Genesis account we are taught that God did not create light. God had created darkness and brought forth light to overcome darkness. He formed our light from that which was apparently unformed. Was that which was unformed the star [sun] which we see today or was that the primeval [creation] light?

There are some philosophers that ponder the thought that God created all that He deemed necessary for his creation at one time. He then built a house [universe] to put that which He formed as likened to a man that built his house to put his furniture. God then in orderly fashion filled His house with all that He had planned to build. The light of our existence was placed in this house of His fourth order of arrangements.

Now we can argue till the world ends as to the our time periods but can we be certain as to our being correct? I don't think so because there was no time formed as God put His sun star in His house. If Moses is correct then time was never formed to be time till the clock was put in motion with the placement of our sun star. Then why are we so foolish as to argue that which we shall never understand? And if Moses was not yet formed himself then how could Moses know that which he put in his book?

Psalm_74:16 The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun.

Psalm_139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Isaiah_45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You can then imagine all sorts of things to satisfy your quest for the hidden and then realize that the Creator does not reveal all that He truly is. Here is an example of the mystery of God.

God is total invisible spirit to our creation but that is not saying that God is total invisible spirit to perhaps other creations of which He may have created. How would we ever know?



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Seede

Stars are not placed anywhere.

Stars form inside dense concentrations of interstellar gas and dust.

Formation begins when the denser parts of the cloud core collapse under their own weight/gravity.

This process takes time but it has been going on since the universe was around only 200 million years old.

Celestial mechanics and gravity create stars and dictate they're location, God has not got much to do with it, sun stars in his house or otherwise.

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posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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Stars are not placed anywhere. Stars form inside dense concentrations of interstellar gas and dust.

Genesis 1:16-18
(16) And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
(17) And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
(18) And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

In your perspective you are correct. In my perspective you are wrong.

Stars are formed? What is the substance that formed stars and where did that substance originate? How did that substance get placed into the universe? That is if it was placed in universe. And if not placed how did the host of heaven originate? Secular science insists that this universe is expanding and if so, what does this universe expand into? Once you know this then you are as God. That is if there is a God. And if not a God then what solution do you offer?

Science is not constant nor is it ever totally revealing. Science is ever changing without completion or full comprehension. Ah, today the answer and tomorrow another question of yesterday's answer. You will never live long enough to know your belief that this universe is 200 million years old.

Some orders of science claims the universe to be 3.8 billion years old while other orders of science claims the world to be 4.5 billion years old. And what is their means of measure? Expanding universe is the main yardstick of measure and into what is the expansion expanding? Ah, today the answer and tomorrow another question to yesterday's answer.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: Seede

"Stars are formed?"

Indeed they are.

"What is the substance that formed stars"

The other stars that came before, we are all stardust mate form the most basic elements to the largest gas giants.

"How did that substance get placed into the universe?"

Current understanding suggests the singularity or big bang is responsible there.

"And if not placed how did the host of heaven originate?"

Did he through, you show me evidence to suggest this host of heaven and ile entertain the question.


"what does this universe expand into?"

Space-time expands not the universe per-say.

"And what is their means of measure?"

Redshift/doppler effect is the ticket there where measurement is concerned.

"Expanding universe is the main yardstick of measure and into what is the expansion expanding?"

Infinity i imagine.



posted on Feb, 5 2019 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Pssssst, should have answered the the last question with, “According to Einstein, the speed of light”!!

Lots of questions about Universe lately with no links to those beliefs. Hum.

Maybe something wants to be noticed??!




posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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Pssssst, should have answered the the last question with, “According to Einstein, the speed of light”!! Lots of questions about Universe lately with no links to those beliefs. Hum. Maybe something wants to be noticed??!

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Uppsala University researchers have devised a new model for the universe – one that may solve the enigma of dark energy. Their new article, published in Physical Review Letters, proposes a new structural concept, including dark energy, for a universe that rides on an expanding bubble in an additional dimension.

We have known for the past 20 years that the universe is expanding at an ever accelerating rate. The explanation is the "dark energy" that permeates it throughout, pushing it to expand. Understanding the nature of this dark energy is one of the paramount enigmas of fundamental physics.

It has long been hoped that string theory will provide the answer. According to string theory, all matter consists of tiny, vibrating "stringlike" entities. The theory also requires there to be more spatial dimensions than the three that are already part of everyday knowledge. For 15 years, there have been models in string theory that have been thought to give rise to dark energy. However, these have come in for increasingly harsh criticism, and several researchers are now asserting that none of the models proposed to date are workable.
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Read more at: phys.org...

phys.org...

Psssssst - wrong answer -- The king is dead --



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 03:06 PM
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"Psssssst - wrong answer -- The king is dead --"

Then the right answer may be the universe is dead, long live the universe, cycles being what they are.

Might turn out that it just goes crunch, bang, crunch, bang, etc etc.

If it does though, we are still never going to be able to measure nor observe what came before the current iteration of space-time in any kind of meaningful manner.
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posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 04:08 PM
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monday...man day
tuesday...(coupling)
wensday...hump day
thursday...meet her(as in mating joining of 23+23)
friday...(as in baby)
saturday...(as in satellite)
sunday...(as in child)



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 06:24 PM
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You are asking 2 questions in a sense. So here we go.

One, darkness did not exist until the first rebellion against God by the person known as Lucifer and after his fall he began to be known as the devil, Satan, the old serpent, the dragon and the red dragon. Once darkness came into what is known in the Bible as the Third heaven (any other numbers on how many heavens there are are not Biblical), a container was made to keep if from spreading was created and is called the "Firmament", if you look past the star arrangement known as Dragonis(SP?) you can see what looks like a slit in the firmament where light is pouring in.

Two, God is Light, if you ask which came first, the answer is they are the same, they are both from everlasting to everlasting, one does not exist without the other. Because man is made in his likeness their spirits, as noted, are light, but man is said to have darkness in him as well.

The Bible is very clear on these issues. I didn't see this at first reading it took 23 years of reading the Bible through over and over with a true/pure heart in learning God's truth before I began to see these very answers, and some of the answers to more deeper questions I may never get before I leave this planet.



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 07:02 PM
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Einstein, did not say the speed of light is constant, so that means it varies at best. He also postulates speed is therefore a relative concept we call in general terms "Relativism". Relativism simply means that there is no bases of truth of the speed of light based on any "Absolute" true measurement of lights speed.

God knows all and sees all even before it happens which means he is the absolute by which we must base the speed of light. It cannot be measured by man except when we can put a measurement on God himself. So in the Bible God is said to be, as marked above, is from everlasting to everlasting. Can we put a measurement of that into our calculations? Unfortunately not at this time. But he did give us a time measurement (i.e. a quantitative) in this case he separate Light and Dark and called them Day and Night each a half of a complete cycle known as a day. That only time measurement God gave us we call the 24/7 time period. 24 hour days (though not a complete 24 hours) and a 7 day period we call a week. And when months were added later by God was not recorded until Moses wrote down the original history in the first five books of the Bible. God knowing the 24 was not a true 24 gave to the nation of Israel to add one month every seven years. Back then a month was not based on solar day but on Lunar day that God called a night and a day, which were 28 day months.

What does this have to do with the speed of light? the only measurement given us by God by which we could understand any speed by. The distance between one point and another point, the night being one point and the day being another. Then we applied that to how long it takes to travel from one point and another by foot, then horses, then locomotive vehicles like the vehicles we have today. We now have vehicles that travel at a speeds above 17,000 mph, miles per hour is based on horse power time measurements.

So when a vehicle can travel at 1 light year, it is a measurement that light takes to go from one point to another, but no one is actually sure of the speed of light, the consensus is 186,282 thousand miles per second. So if a vehicle travels one year at light speed whatever that distance is, it travels it at one year earth time. No matter where you are, on the vehicle doing light speed, on the earth, on the moon, or on Alpha Centauri, it is all the same one earth year.

Einstein did not believe that 186,282 was the only speed traveled at. So we still don't have an accurate time for Light to travel from one place to another. Even computer measurements are only making estimation because the instrumentation are not fast enough to get an accurate reading. Instruments are fast calculators compared to man's abilities but they are still slow compared to light. But different light travels different speeds as well.

So until we get an absolute by which we can measure it by the speed of light is still an unknown and Albert knew this in his day.



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

This would be true to those who believe that Evolution is the only form of creation.



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 11:06 PM
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The evolution of a star is hardly synonymous with a sentient planet-bound species like Man

Apples and Oranges really given there very different spans of existence.

Then theses the fact the ones a nuclear furnace that provides solar radiation and gathers up the material required to form planetary systems via its gravity, and the others a semi-clever monkey that beliefs in an omnipotent sky god that will punish them for all eternity should they deviate or disregard his plan.




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posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

The mystery and the manifestations arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

According to the Tao Te Ching.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 09:38 AM
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The seventh day version seems to be more correct.


sunday...light
monday.....man.current
tuesday.....2,woman
wensday......wind,blow
thursday......+ her,join,sex
friday......baby
saturday...sit,rest



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 10:39 AM
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^^^^
That is a typical week for me!



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 10:50 PM
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Yes 6th-century BC sages understood what came before the current iteration of space-time, and obviously, the answer is darkness. LoL

Whats the bet Mr. Ching was in the dark the same as the rest of us where the source of everything is concerned?

Darkness is simply the partial or total absence of light, the polar opposite to brightness by definition.

Here is a thought, Human vision is unable to distinguish colour in conditions of either high brightness or darkness, what does that tell us?

Tells us we are only able to interpret a very limited portion of the electromagnetic spectrum for a start.
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posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 04:21 AM
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Every 'thing' was created with the word.

Naming is the origin of particular things..... according to the Tao Te Ching.


The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.



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posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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"Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding."

And yet not very illuminating without some light to see.


Darkness is simply the absence of light which is electromagnetic radiation within a certain portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.



posted on Feb, 9 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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Black hole is the key to the successssss
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and string theory too

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