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MAGA hat teens lawyer sends letters to 54 Political & MSM entities for potential lawsuits.

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
What are the purposed lies and how do they weigh against the fact that the school group was not permitted to be in that area at the time?

If you look at the so called stare down it takes on a new light if you realize that the school group is on film for hours "waitin on a bus" in an area they were not authorized to be in.



LOL if true,how is a 15 year old kid supposed to know that..all they did is go where there were told to be.




posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

how would being at even an "un permitted protest" some how negate the false statments and spin the media outlets named in the suit effect a libel case in the slightest? no charges were ever pending for any one at this event not even tickets mentioned

but if you wanna keep going with the "they had no permits' argument its your strange hill to die on i guess?

www.kentuckypersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com... n/ Kentucky libel and slander laws for any one curious

In Kentucky, when someone says or prints things about you that harm your or your businesses reputation, this is referred to as defamation. Often these negative type comments are done intentionally or recklessly and are intended to cause harm to you or your businesses reputation. Kentucky law allows a person to bring a lawsuit against the spreaders of lies about you if they have done so intentionally or with reckless disregard for the truth. To be actionable, the defamation must have caused a provable economic harm or damages as a result of the lie being told to others. Just because someone expressed or printed something that was not true does not make a case. If you feel that someone has defamed or slander you, your reputation or your businesses reputation, you should speak with a lawyer about the particular facts of your case to determine if you are in a position to take legal action against such persons. Many times people intentionally say or print negative things about another person’s character or business to harm or hurt the person or business. It may even be done to attempt to gain another’s business and profits for their own benefit. No matter the reasons why, if lies have been told or printed about you and you have been harmed as a result, you should know your legal rights under the Kentucky law.


pretty sure protesting with out a permit is a citation not a usually arrest able offense unless you resist arrest



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 05:42 PM
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I agree with you that the boys did what they were told and they are even on film asking the teacher if they can do school chants to counter the protest. The teacher said yes and i am hoping people close to the students will get on the right side of this and set a good example for the boys by acknowledging that they were wrong for disrupting the protest and it is not wise to wait for hours for a bus in the middle of a protest. Instead people just want to double down and try to claim they have some right to sue cause of feelings.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: subfab

Defamation and Libel


Kentucky defines defamation as causing harm to the reputation of a person or business, by communicating to a third party, via words that are false and meant to humiliate, degrade, or incite contempt or hatred.


Kentucky Defamation: Laws and Standards Kelly Warner lawfirm


To establish a claim for defamation, the following elements must exist: (1) defamatory language, (2) about the plaintiff, (3) which is published, and (4) which causes injury to reputation. Stringer v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., 151 S.W.3d 781, 793 (Ky. 2004). Moreover, “defamatory language is broadly construed as language that ‘tends so to harm the reputation of another as to lower him in the estimation of the community or to deter third persons from associating or dealing with him.’” Id.


An Overview of Kentucky Law on Defamation and Defamation Per Se - Cosgrove Law Group

All of the named parties blasted these kids at full volume and continued to do so well after the longer video of the incident became widely available.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 05:52 PM
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Yall keep making the case against trump and his twitter account with this defamation talk.....-the death threats you could not tell much difference between the two




















RalagaNarHallas

No one here is dying on a hill and i do not enjoy underhanded threats of violence.

You just posted some stuff about kentucky law that has no merit. You are getting way off track here trying to cling to things not even attached with the just of the debate.

The boys did not have a permit to wait on the bus nor join in protest and everything that happened after that is due to the violations by the group headed by some teacher or parent that knew better.

No one has been hurt and the group needs to teach the boys that breaking the law is not the right coarse of action in that situation but the young man in the stare down knows he should have not been there and has admitted such. Now if only the adults could follow his lead.


As far as the douchbags calling for death and all the back and forth that went on the following weeks they all need some manner to understand they are not right with that behavior. However it will not be in the court of law and todays standards show that it is just par for the coarse.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

you have to be quite dense to have taken that statement as a threat its a common phrase stemming from military vernacular about weather or not to hold a position or not ,or in civilian parlance is this the issue your really gonna go with?

english.stackexchange.com... were not supposed to quote from other message boards but loosely translated for you "its a strange issue for you to hedge your argument on and stick with even though its not really a relevant argument"



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk


I agree with you that the boys did what they were told and they are even on film asking the teacher if they can do school chants to counter the protest.


Dude, the kids weren't countering a protest. They were waiting on their bus ride home after their annual attendance at the (permitted) March for Life earlier when a group of black racists started haranguing them with crude insults and verbal foulness including, but not limited to, racist and homophobic language. They were using their school chants to drown out these racist social ignoramuses.

Did the small group of black racists have a permit for their gathering?

We don't know.

We do know that the first Indigenous Peoples March had been over for some time before Nathan Phillips took his borrowed drum and insinuated himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him.


The first Indigenous Peoples' March was a political demonstration on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on January 18, 2019. The event included speeches, prayers, songs, and dance, and was intended to draw attention to global injustices against indigenous peoples.
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The March For Life also had a permit for a First Amendment demonstrations on the National Mall on that day. According to The Cut, CovCath sends an annual delegation of its students to attend the anti-abortion March For Life in Washington.

Wikipedia
note the times on the flyer The march went from 10am-11 am, then they were to have moved elsewhere for their Rally from 11am-5pm
This March Will Unite Indigenous Communities From Around the World in DC


The first March for Life, which was founded by Nellie Gray, was held on January 22, 1974, on the West Steps of the Capitol, with an estimated 20,000[5] supporters in attendance.


Wikipedia

The incident took place after 5:


Speaking to the Free Press by phone, Phillips, 64, of Ypsilanti, explained what happened after 5 p.m. Friday during the Indigenous Peoples' March he was attending and spoke of his history working for the cause of Native American people.


USA Today

The confrontation was even after their rally was to have ended, so your assertion that they were interrupting a permitted protest is incorrect.

And it is not just civil liability that some are to be facing.

KY Prosecutor Confirms: Multiple Investigations Underway Into Twitter Users

These boys have been hounded unto the ends of the earth including having received threats upon their safety and lives, and you're mush mouthing about permits?

Give me a break.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
I agree with you that the boys did what they were told and they are even on film asking the teacher if they can do school chants to counter the protest. The teacher said yes and i am hoping people close to the students will get on the right side of this and set a good example for the boys by acknowledging that they were wrong for disrupting the protest and it is not wise to wait for hours for a bus in the middle of a protest. Instead people just want to double down and try to claim they have some right to sue cause of feelings.


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UncleTomaHawk

Ahh shux another fake leftist troll account one of a dozen or so here on ATS.

They were not countering any protest. The Black Hebrew Israelite's were not protesting they were doing their hate filled street preaching they normally do by screaming racist and homophobic slurs toward whites and others they deem to be Edomites.

After shouting numerous racist and homophobic slurs for several minutes the kids did the school chant to drown out the hate filled vitriol going on in their direction.

Which guys like you would be praising if those 5 Black Hebrews would have been skinheads shouting racist crap toward a group of black children.

But that's right you hate whites especially whites with MAGA hats. I also think the more than qualified lawyers they hired know more about libel laws than a fat troll account coming outta mommy's basement ..

Go warm up your ps4 and play a game of Fort Nite while the adults continue the thread champ.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: PublicOpinion


And all for what? What was their "crime"?




Their crime was opening themselves up to public humiliation / painting a very public target on their backs.

I'm not condoning the death threats and other assorted nasty that came from this, but reality is if you dont want attention, stay out of the public sphere, if the kids had just walked away this would not have happened, however their egos got in the way of common sense.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:24 PM
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legaldictionary.net...

Definition of Actual Malice The 1964 Supreme Court case Hustler v Falwell defined the term “actual malice,” ruling the term applies to cases in which defamatory statements were made with blatant disregard for whether they were true or false. This setting of precedent determined that a public figure could only win a defamation lawsuit if the statements made against him were not an honest mistake, and were made with the intent to cause harm. For example, XYZ Magazine published a story based on hearsay, stating a politician cheated on his wife. If the magazine did not take the time to research whether this was true or not prior to printing, and the politician suffered harm as a result, the magazine may be sued for libel.
this may be what it hinges on but replace politician with child ,as i guess its easier for non public officials to use defamation and slander lawsuits.


study.com...

It would seem that any charge of defamation would hurt freedom of speech. However, the court in the NY Times case said the right to not be defamed in the public arena is balanced against the right of free speech. A private person gets the most protection as all they have to do is prove that it was false and it was published negligently. However, if the person is a public figure, they are afforded the least amount of protection because they are in the public eye voluntarily. The idea is that since they are already in the public eye, they have media access to set the record straight if a false statement is made.
so id go with the lawyer taking this approach to the matter that it was published negligently

from same source

So What are the Elements of a Defamation Case? The elements of a charge are like ingredients. In a civil charge, if just one of the elements is not met, then there is no case. There are four elements to a defamation case: 1) A statement must be made that is false; and 2) It must be published to someone other than the object of the statement; and 3) The statement must be made with: a) negligence for a private figure, or b) with actual malice for a public figure; and 4) There must be actual monetary damages like loss of a job, or special damages that include emotional harm.
id say they go with the emotional damages aspect what with him getting death threats over this and his school being shut down for a few days due to said threats
www.citizen-times.com... and an example of non public figures and Defamation this one ended in a settlement as do most of these cases as they apparently dont go to full jury trials often


No shrinking violet, Dial can take care of herself on social media and has a thick skin, but she feels Hammond's comment crossed a line of civility that she could not tolerate. She hopes the large settlement amount conveys a strong message to the general public in an age when most interactions with other people are virtual. "It tells you you need to be careful on social media and not put stuff out to the world that is untrue — that you might do it to someone who will hold you accountable for what you’re doing," Dial said. "It’s too easy these days to do this sort of thing and let it go out to the public. As you well know, in the past when things got published, there was an editor or there was some sort of filter. You don’t have that anymore, because now everybody is free to be their own sounding board out to the community."



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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Their crime was opening themselves up to public humiliation / painting a very public target on their backs.


How in the world are you getting that these kids sought this out?

They were waiting on the bus and it all came to them.

The original twitter account the new media took and ran with has since been removed, no doubt the spooks could follow the digital tracks to the precise device which instigated this mess, but I somehow doubt we'll ever be privy to that information.

Ironically, had it not been for the black racists' video, we would only know the media's version of the story rather than have the entire context.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Any way you look at it the attention all comes from the kid with the cheesy smile standing there having an ego trip, the fallout is crap and way over the top, however we live in a social media age where everything is scrutinized, may as well give those kids a participation trophy.

Wisdom is knowing which battles to fight and which ones to walk away from.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yep, and I don't think this battle is one that should have been walked away from.

The battle young Mr. Sandmann faced with a nervous smile, that came to him (and his peers) mind you, was that of racism, homophobia, and obnoxious attempted instigation of conflict.

Someone somewhere then took a tiny bit of the incident and proceeded to play their interminable infernal tune, "Orange Man BAD!"

The news media amplified a tiny signal and here we are today. If not for that, we'd never even know this happened.

Aren't you the one who said that it's the media's job (agreeing with Mika Brzezinski) was to tell people what to think?

Thank goodness the racist also happened to be a narcissist and just had to record his diatribe or all we'd have is the amplification of that tiny bit.


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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk


You're getting blown out of the water here. The MSM can be sued for what they are responsible for whether or not the MAGA kids were "without a permit".


Despite your newly created account, we see through it.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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Look as far as I'm concerned that's nothing more than a need to stroke ego, and in my opinion those boys were in no physical danger and should have walked away, laughed it off.

If a persons ego is so fragile they can't walk away from that crap it's on them to wear the fallout, and in this case it got pretty bad thanks to media fanning the flames. Again picking and choosing ones battles is a life lesson.

Yes it is media's job to tell people what to think, on the other side of that is people are responsible for the information they taken board, personal responsibility and all that, media care only about making money, that's it nothing else, they will sell whatever it takes to get those clicks and it's all done at the expense of the truth.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:37 PM
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Look as far as I'm concerned that's nothing more than a need to stroke ego, and in my opinion those boys were in no physical danger and should have walked away, laughed it off.


The only ego stroking I see in all of this is from the black racists and the lying Nathan Phillips.


Yes it is media's job to tell people what to think, on the other side of that is people are responsible for the information they taken board, personal responsibility and all that, media care only about making money, that's it nothing else, they will sell whatever it takes to get those clicks and it's all done at the expense of the truth.


That explains a few things, you let the media do your thinking for you. That's the opposite of personal responsibility, btw.

Yes, first and foremost, they're businesses and they need to maintain profit in order to continue operations, but they are not and should not be in the business of attempting to direct the thinking of its readership. The media is there to keep the government honest and to report facts, not guide the thinking of the people of this country.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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Wasting your time on him, evidently his/her parents didn't raise them with consideration to other peoples personal space and not to get into someones face and invade it unless you are looking to instigate a fight.

Kinda feel bad for the bloke having parents that didn't teach him about respecting others personal spaces, lots of crappy parents out there unfortunately.

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yes it is media's job to tell people what to think,





posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: jadedANDcynical

The media should be keeping government in check and reporting factual information but doesn't mean they do, the job to provide the public with news and information has been corrupted in part thanks to Edward bernaise, the media have long had the tools for manipulating vast segments of society, us lowly sheep have masters and our masters own and use the media platform to shape the world.

I actually don't let the media think for me as I rarely consume it, I come here for people's opinions, I like to gauge media from different people's perspectives.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yes it is media's job to tell people what to think,






The TV said there's nothing wrong with me, oh and so did my phone.







 
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