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DC School Won't Play Sports Against Christian School Where Karen Pence Teaches

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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: infolurker


Look, if society suddenly decides that eating boogers is the new progressive populist wave and people like me thinks that s#it is wrong and refuse to do it ourselves and refuse to let you promote that s#it to our kids we now must be destroyed?


That you use eating boogers as an example of why you don’t want to tolerate gay people pretty much says it all.

How delicate do you have to be to think that the majority of society realizing that gay people are humans that should be treated decently is somehow an attack on you?

No one is trying to “destroy” you for not accepting those who are different from you. Good lord. You’re free to be as bigoted as you want. Just don’t get angry when people see it for exactly what it is.



School doesn't say gays aren't human.

Since you see their intolerance as bigotry, how do you see your intolerance?




posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: TheElectricPriest


I'm so tired of people wanting to blame people for simply living by the principles of their faith...and only Christians.


If you all actually lived by the principals of your faith you wouldn’t discriminate against gay people. You’d welcome immigrants in with open arms. You’d put the well being of your fellow man no matter who they are or where they’re from first and foremost.

Why is it that people like you only bring up the idea of living by your faith when it’s used to exclude others?


No we wouldn't. Stop taking the Bible out of context to fit your twisted narrative.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: TheElectricPriest

Well those who have moved on to a more modern inclusive morality, have to decide how much they subject their kids to these more outdated views. Yes kids need to learn about others views and the books they base them on, but as a parent your job is to protect your kids, and when it comes to a sports game, is that really a good enough reason to subject them to bigotry?


Are you saying that intolerance to different opinions is only intolerance from one side and not both? Just trying to find your consistency here.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: TheElectricPriest

There is nothing noble about intolerance. Or preaching that normal people are evil, sinners because they love someone Christian don't agree with. It's wrong, and you shouldn't think that is noble.


Then that settles it. Nobody is noble and we should be able to go about our ways as we always have.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: riiver

That's because progressism to a certain extent has become the very sort of puritanical religion they claim to so abhor.


That's sure how it looks from where I'm standing-- a religion with no god and with an ever-changing and ever-expanding list of commandments. And that might be the most disturbing thing of all; at least with religion, the basic rules stay the same and have for two millennia. With the progressive agenda, the rules change from day to day. And again, I have no religious dog in this hunt.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: mikell
So they win games without playing, I don't have a problem with that. Ind if they are worried about their safety just tell them all the Christian parents are allowed to conceal carry so they will be safe.




That's the most puzzling thing about the report in the OP, imo. What are these "safety concerns" the non-religious school has? Do they have some reason to think the religious kids will magically know who the gay or trans kids in their school are and mob them or something? Citing "safety concerns" seems like an exceptionally stupid reason, nothing more than grandstanding for political points.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: riiver

And that's all it is because as has been noted over and over ... these two schools have played one another many times in the past, and Immanuel's policies have not suddenly changed.

If the students were safe there before, they'll be safe there now because nothing about how Immanuel conducts themselves at sporting events has changed at all.

The only thing that may have changed is how the proggies at the other school have decided to behave about things.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Too bad. Insurance and employment are inextricable tied together in our health care system. That's just the way it is.


Just letting you know that bringing up Hobby Lobby is a non-starter with me. Don't care, don't think employers should be in the business of providing insurance, period.



It's not free, it's supposed to be covered by the employees' compensation package, that includes insurance. Most employees pay a monthly premium for their insurance, that's deducted from their paycheck. Also, women in rural communities can't just pop over to their local Planned Parenthood or community clinic, because it's hours away. Also, when an employer refuses to provide contraception coverage to their employees, their supposed to submit a waiver, so that their employees CAN use a Tittle X clinic and that clinic can be reimbursed through Title X. But, most of these employers see that as a bridge too far as well! Making more red tape for their employees looking for other outlets to meet their contraception needs


Actually, it IS free if you go to your health department. I just called my county health department and yep! Anyone can get free condoms, and any woman can make an appointment on family planning day and get the pill.

That was my comment-- that free birth control is available if anyone really needs it. And nope, rural women can't pop over to Planned Parenthood. But they CAN pop over to the health department and get birth control.



For this employer, there is no privacy! What the students, their parents and the school employees do in private is the school's business. If a student, parent or potential employee has a brother, parent and/or friend that is considered LGBTQ, that they support, and have not publicly condemned, that student, parent and potential employee are not welcome at that school.
www.icsva.org...


And the parents, potential employees, and students all know this before they enroll/apply for a job. If they don't like the school's moral rules then they probably shouldn't be enrolling their kids in or applying for a job at this school. Duh. And that cuts both ways-- an uber-religious person who has extreme views on [insert your perceived sin] shouldn't be applying for a job or enrolling their kids in a school where they know the moral foundation of the organization is going to seriously clash with their beliefs. It's a no-brainer.



There is nothing that Jesus said that can be construed to allow Christians to project condemnation and publicly shun other Christians who practice their faith through tolerance, inclusiveness, acceptance and support of their loved ones and how they express physical and familial love.


I personally agree with that. However, neither I nor you have the right to tell believers how they are to interpret those teachings. If we want to tell people how to interpret and practice the teachings of Jesus, then we need to be starting our own Christian communities and teaching that to our followers, not telling other people "My interpretation is the only right one and you need to change your faith to believe what I believe."



It's not about "fake Christians", it's about hypocrisy and cherry picking which sexual sins to condemn and which sexual sins to ignore. Mike Pence has no problem ignoring and excusing the blatant adultery of his boss, President Trump, or the girl on girl porn that his wife, the 1st Lady engaged in. God wanted Trump to be President. Romans 13 and all. But, a kid with a gay brother, whose Christian family loves and supports him, can't go to the Christian school where Karen Pence teaches, because..."sexual sin". That's hypocrisy!


And that has exactly what to do with the issue of the secular school refusing to play the Christian school at sports after doing it in the past? Pence and Trump and their religious beliefs and hypocrisy or lack thereof aren't the alleged reason this school has done an about-face.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: riiver

Of course, if the Christians were really shunning those people in all ways, they would never have scheduled them to play sporting events against in the first place. They would only have scheduled sporting events against other schools were they could be sure to only rubbing shoulders against the like-minded.

What Sookie doesn't realize is that these days those covenants are as much a legal protection for the school as they are anything else. They are intended to make sure that someone does not enroll and then file lawsuits to force the school to change its pedagogy in a manner more to that activist group's liking.

Sort of like some parents will enroll their transkid in a school, sue over bathroom/locker room access and then withdraw and on to the next as soon as they force the school to take on the preferred policies.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: riiver




nothing more than grandstanding for political points.


What other reason do some need, these days??



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: riiver

Of course, if the Christians were really shunning those people in all ways, they would never have scheduled them to play sporting events against in the first place. They would only have scheduled sporting events against other schools were they could be sure to only rubbing shoulders against the like-minded.


Funny, I never thought about that but you're right.


What Sookie doesn't realize is that these days those covenants are as much a legal protection for the school as they are anything else. They are intended to make sure that someone does not enroll and then file lawsuits to force the school to change its pedagogy in a manner more to that activist group's liking.


Which we've all, no matter what "side" we're on with regard to this issue, seen happen more than once. Anyone who claims it doesn't happen either lives under a rock or is willfully covering their eyes with their hands. In fact, it appears that some people, probably Sookie included, would love to see someone file a lawsuit against this school in spite of their clearly stated policy which is disclosed before parents/students commit.

I expect that will be the next step. Since it's all about optics, parents of an openly gay or trans student will enroll their kid in spite of the school's very visible moral code, then will scream "discrimination" and try to sue their pants off. And in the current climate they might just win. After all, we do live in a society where the Boy Scouts were discriminating against girls by not allowing them to be Boy Scouts too, right? *Facepalm* How dare any private religious school expect its body to follow the religious moral code of its denomination in order to attend or work there? The horror!



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

There are 58 high schools in the DC Metro... Immanuel Christian School won't have any trouble finding opponents and, frankly, doesn't need to debase itself to the point where they'd play some heathen animal school anyway.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: riiver



Just letting you know that bringing up Hobby Lobby is a non-starter with me.


I don't care. I only mentioned Hobby Lobby because you seemed to think that the only "flavor" of Christianity that's opposed to birth control is Catholicism. It's not. I only brought up birth control because it's just another example of these people's hypocrisy, picking and choosing what is natural/unnatural and what is sexual sin and what they can ignore and make excuses for, like adultery.



Anyone can get free condoms, and any woman can make an appointment on family planning day and get the pill


Condoms and the Pill are two different things. You need a prescription for one, not the other. Community clinics work on a sliding scale fee basis, based on your oncome. You can't just walk into a clinic and demand the pill, for free. It doesn't work that way.

Again, this is about Karen Pence, a public figure and the 2nd Lady of the United States, married to the Vice President of the United States, who are both taking a united stand to promote bigotry and discimination of the LGBTQ community, their families and the communities that support them.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: riiver




Do they have some reason to think the religious kids will magically know who the gay or trans kids in their school are and mob them or something?


More likely it's the parents that will get into it. But, teaching kids that LGBTQ folks are an abomination, bestial, unnatural and all the other things these kids are taught about them, along with their admonition against acceptance, support and tolerance, I can see where the kids wouldn't acknowledge any kind of mutual respect or understand social boundaries. The Covington Catholic kids, while older, sure displayed that they didn't.


ETA: Just for those who think kids don't project their parents bigotry.





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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: riiver



I don't care. I only mentioned Hobby Lobby because you seemed to think that the only "flavor" of Christianity that's opposed to birth control is Catholicism. It's not.


And I stand corrected; I wasn't aware that any of the others are anti-birth control until you replied. (And honest question--what other denominations are anti-birth control?)



You can't just walk into a clinic and demand the pill, for free. It doesn't work that way.


But you CAN walk into the county health department and ask for the pill, for free. And get it. All you have to do is make the appointment and show up. Don't all states have county health departments?



Again, this is about Karen Pence, a public figure and the 2nd Lady of the United States, married to the Vice President of the United States, who are both taking a united stand to promote bigotry and discimination of the LGBTQ community, their families and the communities that support them.


Funny. I just re-read the OP and it still appears that it's about a secular school refusing to play a Christian school because the Christian school sees homosexuality as a sin.
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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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what other denominations are anti-birth control?)


Dominionists, Amish, Mennonites and most, but not all, evangelicals these days, to name a few.



But you CAN walk into the county health department and ask for the pill, for free. And get it. All you have to do is make the appointment.


Sorry, but you're misinformed.


One of the most common questions that people ask is whether or not they can buy over-the-counter birth control pills. Although there are some great birth control options that you can buy over-the-counter, unfortunately, birth control pills are not one of them. As of now, the only available over-the-counter birth control pills are for emergency contraception.

You need a doctor's prescription to get birth control pills (either progestin-only pills, combination pills, or extended cycle pills).
How to Get Birth Control Pills
In order to get a prescription, you will need to talk to your doctor about your medical history and get your blood pressure checked. Your doctor may require a pelvic exam and a breast exam, but this is not universal.
www.verywellhealth.com...



Funny. I just re-read the OP and it still appears that it's about a secular school refusing to play a Christian school because the Christian school sees homosexuality as a sin.


From the OP:

Karen Pence announced she was returning to the Immanuel Christian School to teach art. She received backlash surrounding her decision to teach at the Christian school.



Sheridan is the latest group to target the school after Pence took a part-time job teaching art to students.


Karen Pence's name is in the thread's title. The school was operating under the radar before Karen Pence recently started teaching there. Her presence has emboldened discriminatory rhetoric in the local community, obviously, and her position as 2nd Lady brings to the forefront of the national conversation this administration's concerted attacks against equal rights for the LGBTQ, in the name of religious freedom.



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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: riiver



Dominionists, Amish, Mennonites and most, but not all, evangelicals these days, to name a few.


Thanks for the info. I had no idea.



Sorry, but you're misinformed.


No I'm not, but I might not have made what I was saying clear. I never said you can get them without a prescription. I said you can get them at the health department for free. Here's how it works:

You call the health department and find out when their family planning clinic day(s) is and make an appointment. You show up for the appointment and are seen by a doctor/nurse practitioner, who dispenses the birth control pills right there and then. I've done it myself in the past, and know plenty of women who do it every 3 months right now.



Karen Pence's name is in the thread's title.


Yes, Karen Pence's name IS in the thread title. "Christian school where Karen Pence works." It's still not about Pence, it's about the non-religious berating the religious for holding to their beliefs in the face of secularism.


The school was operating under the radar before Karen Pence recently started teaching there.


Whoa, wait. "Operating under the radar"? The implies something shady, dishonest, or possibly downright illegal, not a religious school operating according to their constitutionally-protected religious beliefs. Subtle wording like this is one helluva weapon. Also, since it wasn't an issue until Mrs. Pence started teaching there, politics is obviously a big part of it.



Her presence has emboldened discriminatory rhetoric in the local community, obviously,


I'll second that. The secular school spokesperson suggesting that kids may not be safe if they engage in sports competition with students of the religious school certainly is bold and discriminatory. Glad you recognize that



and her position as 2nd Lady brings to the forefront of the national conversation this administration's concerted attacks against equal rights for the LGBTQ, in the name of religious freedom.


Or just the opposite-- her position as 2nd Lady brings to the forefront of the national conversation the concerted attacks against religious freedom, and against anyone associated with this administration, in the name of "promoting equal rights for the LGBTQ community."



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: riiver


Or just the opposite-- her position as 2nd Lady brings to the forefront of the national conversation the concerted attacks against religious freedom, and against anyone associated with this administration, in the name of "promoting equal rights for the LGBTQ community."


It's just another verse of, "Orange man BAD!"



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: riiver




You call the health department and find out when their family planning clinic day(s) is and make an appointment.


I'm going to need a citation for that. What I find is health departments offering birth control education, but referring patients to Planned Parenthood for exams and prescriptions. All the clinics that I've found have a sliding scale fee system, based on your income and insurance status. It's not free and clinic are reimbursed through Title X for their expense. So, it winds up costing the tax payers, not to mention employers aren't getting a financial break by not covering contraception and pregnancies are a lot more expensive for insurance companies than birth control, so rates increase.

At any rate, it's an additional burden that women who work for employers against then obtaining contraception, that other women don't have to bother with. No equal rights, just religious projection and persecution from an intolerant employer.



It's still not about Pence


Yes, it is.



it's about the non-religious berating the religious for holding to their beliefs in the face of secularism.


Nope. Plenty of Christians are appalled by the school's stance, as well as Mike Pence's well document stance against all things LGBTQ, and the push to make sure that LGBTQ DO NOT gain equal rights, under the Civil RIghts Act.


Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage.

Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexuals as a "discreet and insular minority" entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.

Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions, which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.

“American Dream.”
MIKE PENCE:
web.archive.org...://mikepence.com/issues.html




Whoa, wait. "Operating under the radar"? The implies something shady, dishonest, or possibly downright illegal, not a religious school operating according to their constitutionally-protected religious beliefs.


It's discrimination. And, it displays breathtaking hypocrisy, elevating one perceived sin over others.



Also, since it wasn't an issue until Mrs. Pence started teaching there, politics is obviously a big part of it.


Uh Huh. The politics of exclusion, discrimination and elitism.



Or just the opposite-- her position as 2nd Lady brings to the forefront of the national conversation the concerted attacks against religious freedom, and against anyone associated with this administration, in the name of "promoting equal rights for the LGBTQ community."


Yes, well that is the backward thinking this thread intended to project. Poor Christians being persecuted for wanting to be able to discriminate against icky people, and their kids.



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posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: riiver



what other denominations are anti-birth control?)


Dominionists, Amish, Mennonites and most, but not all, evangelicals these days, to name a few.



But you CAN walk into the county health department and ask for the pill, for free. And get it. All you have to do is make the appointment.


Sorry, but you're misinformed.


One of the most common questions that people ask is whether or not they can buy over-the-counter birth control pills. Although there are some great birth control options that you can buy over-the-counter, unfortunately, birth control pills are not one of them. As of now, the only available over-the-counter birth control pills are for emergency contraception.

You need a doctor's prescription to get birth control pills (either progestin-only pills, combination pills, or extended cycle pills).
How to Get Birth Control Pills
In order to get a prescription, you will need to talk to your doctor about your medical history and get your blood pressure checked. Your doctor may require a pelvic exam and a breast exam, but this is not universal.
www.verywellhealth.com...



Funny. I just re-read the OP and it still appears that it's about a secular school refusing to play a Christian school because the Christian school sees homosexuality as a sin.


From the OP:

Karen Pence announced she was returning to the Immanuel Christian School to teach art. She received backlash surrounding her decision to teach at the Christian school.



Sheridan is the latest group to target the school after Pence took a part-time job teaching art to students.


Karen Pence's name is in the thread's title. The school was operating under the radar before Karen Pence recently started teaching there. Her presence has emboldened discriminatory rhetoric in the local community, obviously, and her position as 2nd Lady brings to the forefront of the national conversation this administration's concerted attacks against equal rights for the LGBTQ, in the name of religious freedom.




You contradict yourself. You say: "The school was operating under the radar before Karen Pence recently started teaching there."

But you quote from the OP:
"Karen Pence announced she was returning to the Immanuel Christian School to teach art. She received backlash surrounding her decision to teach at the Christian school."

You need to keep your argument consistent if you want people to listen.
Karen Pence is not a new teacher to the school.
The bigotry of the other schools is.
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