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The REAL Reason Democrats are Against The Wall

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posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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We all get that the podium against the wall is primarily for votes, likely, just as the podium for the wall is the same. I personally feel that's what it's all boiled down to. Why else do any politicians rally for 'our' cause? Supposedly not for their own gain but for ours. Sure.....


One of the biggest reasons the wall is being rallied for is the drugs that are coming over the border. Most on the left will say that this is NOT a problem. Facts will say otherwise, yet the left will say that it's source is somewhere else so we don't need to worry about that direction for the real source of drugs.

To me... This is like plugging one hole in a boat (no matter the size of the hole) and ignoring the other 5. As long as you can afford to keep bailing away the water without the boat sinking. That's some logic, wouldn't you think?

I found today that quite possibly, just maybe, the sources the left is using for their facts could be flawed, regardless of which hole in the boat they want to plug. ...or, just maybe, a good portion of those against the wall are drug addicts?

Could it be?

San Francisco — where drug addicts outnumber high school students



San Francisco has more drug addicts than it has students enrolled in its public high schools, the city Health Department’s latest estimates conclude.

There are about 24,500 injection drug users in San Francisco — that’s about 8,500 more people than the nearly 16,000 students enrolled in San Francisco Unified School District’s 15 high schools and illustrates the scope of the problem on the city’s streets.

It’s also an increase of about 2,000 serious drug users since 2012, the last time a study was done.


San Fran has a population of over 884,000 people. That means that 3% of that population are shooting up. That's just the number known. The population of heroin addicts could be much higher... Not counting the other drugs being abused.

This is just one city in California. If we used that place as a straw poll source (yeah I think straw polls are total BS), that would mean that over 3% of the population of the US are Heroin addicts... Heroin coming from Mexico... NOT Asia. (I don't know if that's how a straw poll works, honestly..)

On a serious note... We're led to believe that all of the bad drugs are coming from Asia, not Mexico. This couldn't be farther from the truth.


From 1980-85, most of the heroin seized in the U.S. came from Southwest Asia, according to DEA records, a region later eclipsed by Southeast Asia between 1988-1994. South America became the leading importer in 1994 and remained so until 2013, when Mexico firmly took hold.

San Francisco's biggest heroin suppliers are Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG), Nielsen said. On a street-dealing level, he said the DEA has identified a group of Hondurans — some with ties to the East Bay — who have a corner on the market.

In 2015, 93 percent of the heroin seized in the U.S. was produced in Mexico.


Why would they blame Asia when the problem is right under our noses? That's likely because China is a big exporter of Fentanyl, the stuff being used in a lot of heroin today to make it more potent so it takes less Heroin to get you off. Fentanyl is the stuff in heroin that's causing the deaths of heroin addicts. So maybe they think that since it's the deadly part, the other stuff, heroin, doesn't matter. Since that's coming from Asia, the Wall wont stop anything...

But wait... Guess where that Fentanyl is really coming in to the US from! It might be made in China but it's coming in to the US from MEXICO and Canada.



Fentanyl can be purchased cheaply from China and is often trafficked into the U.S. from Mexico or Canada. Nielsen said it is increasingly cut into heroin, coc aine or fake oxycontin or oxycodone pills. It can easily lead to overdose.

"If they get the recipe right it won't kill the user, but if they don't, it could," Nielsen said. "It seems like users are looking for the best possible high they can get without dying, and that's a very fine line."


So yeah... They have their facts wrong again. Sure, they're made in China but they're still coming over the border. Most likely, I would guess, ALREADY IN THE HEROIN!!! (that's made in Mexico...)

Just remember... It will only get worse unless something is done!


The general number of people who inject drugs has also been steadily rising for years, and in the past decade, the number has gone up by more than 50 percent, according to data from the San Francisco Department of Public Health (SFDPH). The biggest spike occurred between 2005 and 2012 when the number shot up 121 percent.



So using a 'certain' demographic's logic... at least one that I hear a lot from these days:

Drugs are coming from Mexico and democrats don't want to build a wall. Therefore all democrats are drug addicts! They don't want to stop the flow of their drugs from the borders.


Seriously though... Don't believe the 'left handed' hype. Build the wall and stifle the flow of the poison that's killing our kids, our brothers and sisters, our friends, our family...




posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

If you were in charge of a multi-billion dollar a year heroin exporting business headquartered in Mexico, would you let a wall stop you from doing business and making money?
Come on man, the wall is a complete waste of time. Why not just arrest employees who hire illegals and execute all heroin smugglers on site?



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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* The largest bust w Fentanyl was at a common, everyday, boarder crossing in Mexico.

If our thousand miles of unchecked-no wall boarder is soooo bad....why didn't these guys use it?

Obviously...they could have because supposedly it's soooo bad, empty and easy...we need a wall?
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posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Hmmm... so if I have a pasture full of cattle and know wolves are coming in every night to take a few of them, it makes more sense to shoot the wolves I see during the day than to put up a stronger fence?

Wow... all this time I figured the best thing was to do both.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: StallionDuck


Nearly all drugs come through ports of entry, not the open desert. The largest ever fentanyl bust that occurred recently was a semi truck that was stopped at an entry port.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Nearly all drugs come through ports of entry, not the open desert. The largest ever fentanyl bust that occurred recently was a semi truck that was stopped at an entry port.

You forgot a word:

Nearly all confiscated drugs come through ports of entry, not the open desert. The largest ever fentanyl bust that occurred recently was a semi truck that was stopped at an entry port.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:27 AM
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I read somewhere on ATS, that the 5.7 billion only fixes the partial wall/fence/barrier that is already there, plus builds about another 100 miles of barrier.
That leaves a lot of open border still (as well as the US-Canada border)

It sounds like a waste of money, unless he gets plenty more billions.....



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
Nearly all confiscated drugs come through ports of entry, not the open desert. The largest ever fentanyl bust that occurred recently was a semi truck that was stopped at an entry port.


And that is because nearly all drugs smuggled into the United States come through ports of entry.

Have you been following the El Chapo trial? He testified in great detail how they have been smuggling drugs into the country, it's nearly all ports of entry and to a lesser extent, tunnels.

A wall doesn't stop smuggling since the demand is still there.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: StallionDuck

If you were in charge of a multi-billion dollar a year heroin exporting business headquartered in Mexico, would you let a wall stop you from doing business and making money?
Come on man, the wall is a complete waste of time. Why not just arrest employees who hire illegals and execute all heroin smugglers on site?



Why not all of the above?

A wall may not stop the flow but it can slow it down enough to give authorities a chance to catch up to them.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: StallionDuck


Nearly all drugs come through ports of entry, not the open desert.


Because one of El Chapo's amputation specialists said so?



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: StallionDuck


Nearly all drugs come through ports of entry, not the open desert.


Because one of El Chapo's amputation specialists said so?


Yeah, definitely no misdirection involved. Nope.. None at all.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


And that is because nearly all drugs smuggled into the United States come through ports of entry.

That we know of.


Have you been following the El Chapo trial? He testified in great detail how they have been smuggling drugs into the country, it's nearly all ports of entry and to a lesser extent, tunnels.

Not really, primarily because whatever he says will likely not be the whole truth. A drug kingpin does not become brutally honest just because he sits down in front of someone with a black robe on... he will say only what he has to say to try and get off, and he certainly won't rat out the deeper secrets of the organization he is the kingpin of.


A wall doesn't stop smuggling since the demand is still there.

No, but it certainly deters it.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 11:07 AM
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Explain to me how to build a wall down the middle of the Rio Grande? It's 1,954 miles - the border is in the MIDDLE of the river. Take a look in google earth - You obviously cannot build it down the middle of the river, you cant build it along the side of the river. - I'd really like an explanation on how this would happen.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Speedtek
Explain to me how to build a wall down the middle of the Rio Grande? It's 1,954 miles - the border is in the MIDDLE of the river. Take a look in google earth - You obviously cannot build it down the middle of the river, you cant build it along the side of the river. - I'd really like an explanation on how this would happen.





posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 11:35 AM
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what about the Real Reason the "Right" wants to only build a Wall around Mexico

how about where the Fentanyl is coming from? what about the CIA drug running? Pharmaceutical companies prescribing these drugs to get people hooked?



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

That we know of.


And? I think addressing the known issue is better than chasing some boogeyman.


Not really, primarily because whatever he says will likely not be the whole truth. A drug kingpin does not become brutally honest just because he sits down in front of someone with a black robe on... he will say only what he has to say to try and get off, and he certainly won't rat out the deeper secrets of the organization he is the kingpin of.


His testimony was corroborated by numerous witnesses. The control that Sinaloa exerts pervades all levels of Mexico, when the government is complicit in the smuggling a wall does nothing.



No, but it certainly deters it.


No it doesn't, it does nothing to address the prime reason for the smuggling in the first place: demand.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
Because one of El Chapo's amputation specialists said so?


Because numerous witnesses testified to this fact. The cartel is still running, is as powerful as ever and former members have testified that as long as there is a demand there will be drugs smuggled in.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
A wall may not stop the flow but it can slow it down enough to give authorities a chance to catch up to them.


They're bringing the drugs in now where there is a wall, the ports of entry. The issue is they need more agents to do more searches of the vehicles coming in. The trail makes this abundantly clear where there was testimony that it's a gamble for them, some drugs will be stopped but most get through because of the volume.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 02:05 PM
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So we need a wall to, at least help, stop (some) of the illegal narcotics “pouring” in the US from Mexico.

Regardless of the fact that expert opinion indicates that most of those drugs are being shipped in through regular ports of entry.


Unless you’re willing to build a wall at least a couple THOUSAND FEET TALL, it is ridiculously simple to hoist a half ton (about 1000lbs) over any wall you might build with nothing more than a thirty foot helium balloon.

The more solid you make your wall, the better cover it provides the balloon.

Helium balloons don’t, by themselves, show up very well on radar, and for a simple “up and over” operation, exposure would be a couple of minutes at best: not much time to establish a “lock”, especially in a remote area.

Isn’t that where a wall is supposed to do the most good?

Heck, if you wanted to save money (and use a smaller balloon) just use hydrogen instead of helium!

But remember: Abosolutemente NO FUMAR!!!!
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posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 02:29 PM
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Let me throw a couple of silly answers into the mix.
Why don't the government legalise ALL drugs, take it out of the hands of the criminals. There are users, no denying that. They are not just going to stop. So why doesn't the government legalise and control 1. the purity(ie the safety aspect) 2. make money on taxing. But more importantly taking the power away from the drug criminals. Has the government learned nothing from prohibition.
Never mind about the drugs, who is making and supplying all the syringes? Without a syringe you can't inject. Don't say they will just share syringes because sharing equates to thousands of syringes.




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