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Climate Change Laws Implemented by AOC, then Another Arctic Blizzard Occurs in Several States.

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posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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For all those even mildly interested in the concept of wind power. . .



To Get Wind Power You Need Oil


spectrum.ieee.org...




posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Oh yeah right...because everyone knows that the elderly, the infirm, and little children are as strong as hardened criminals... What was I thinking?... You opened my eyes... (Not really...)



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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Oh.

My.

God.

Does no one understand energy anymore? I know, you just plug something in and it comes on, so that's how energy works, right?

Right now, we as a planetary species are still vastly dependent on organic fuels for energy. Organic fuels contain hydrocarbons, which burn readily, and they are extremely plentiful. That means if we have organic fuels, we can usually get energy fairly quickly.

I'm using the term organic rather than fossil because it is firstly more accurate and secondly more inclusive. Wood is not a fossil fuel, but it is organic, for example.

The OP makes a viable point. There are those, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and they could, if not opposed, do things legislatively that would not only cripple our economy, but also kill millions of people. We cannot survive without energy, with the exception of a few of us (myself included) in a few locations. We are semi-tropical creatures. We have much better and more efficient biological processes to combat heat than we do cold. Our expanse into colder climates is only possible because we use energy.

Now, as to those great green renewable energy sources (which I do support):
  • Solar power is not efficient, at all. It's not just that it only works in sun, but it is also that the voltage produced is low-voltage DC which is very difficult and expensive to transport. The loss in wattage due to power transmission through a conductor is I^2*R, where I is the current and R is the resistance. Copper (and aluminum) have very low resistances, a few milli-ohms per meter... but when one considers a length of many miles, that adds up. Current is the real killer, though. A single 120V single-phase circuit in a house can use 15-20 amps of current. An electric stove can use up to 50 amps of current. A heating unit can use 80 or more amps of current. Now multiply that by a couple dozen circuits in a house... each house can pull 200 amps of current!

    Most admittedly do not, but they can.

    Now take an average over a week of 15 amps per household, and multiply that by a few thousand homes... now square that and multiply by the resistance of tens of miles of power cable... and that, friends, is how much energy is lost just trying to get it to your home.

    The way we get around that is by using transformers. A transformer changes the AC voltage without changing the wattage, which means that by stepping up the voltage, we use less amps. Less amps mean less energy loss. Shorter lines mean less energy loss. Combined, we have a usable grid.

    Now, we have solar which uses low-voltage, high amperage, DC power. Transformers do not work on DC... so the DC has to be converted to AC before it can be stepped up, and that is an expensive process as well. Ever used a car inverter? They get hot, pretty quickly when you're running something that requires a lot of power. That heat is lost power, lost energy. In addition most inverters do not produce true sine-wave outputs, and there are some devices (like larger electric motors and transformers, both inductive loads) than really need true sine wave power to work properly. True sine wave power from DC is extremely difficult and loss-intensive to produce, even compared to modified sine wave inverters. So to use solar, we first have to convert the power form DC to true AC, then step it up many more times than we do with organic fuels, then finally we get to use what's left.

    Now add in the fact that solar cells use materials that are made from oil... solar cells remove incoming solar heat from the environment and convert it to electricity... does anyone see the problem yet?

  • Batteries are NOT energy! They never have been! They never will be! They have to be charged to have any power in them. A battery is energy as much as jug is water.

    The older non-rechargeable dry cells do come out with their initial charge, but that is the single most expensive energy source known to mankind. That's why we use rechargeable batteries in cars: you'd need a battery bank the size of your garage to crank your car one time using alkaline cells. And while i'm on it, the battery in your car does NOT supply electric power... the alternator does, and it uses gasoline or diesel. The battery just stores it.

  • Hydroelectric is awesome! It's clean, it's not harmful to the environment, and it is reliable if there is a constant running water supply. But we only have so many rivers, and hydro does not work well when the rivers ice over. It's hard to get ice to flow. The last wave energy proposal I heard actually uses the same principles of hydroelectric production to get power from ocean waves... a fantastic idea IMO, but only applicable to those who live reasonably close to a shoreline.

  • Wind power is good. But winds are not reliable... they can blow too much or not at all. There is also the concern that every watt of energy removed from the winds is one less watt of energy in the winds, and too much overuse could affect the climate much more than the invisible boogeyman gas.

  • Gassification is a great idea, but it is not ready for prime time yet.
We have no replacement for organic fuels that can possibly sustain us at this time. None. Technology does not simply spring into being because we want it and we outlaw other methods. I have no issue with someone putting up a windmill and solar panels to try and live off the grid; I wish I were in an area where that were feasible. But when someone decides that everyone should do so, while demonstrating so clearly the fact that they have absolutely no idea how energy even reaches them... no. Just no.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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It is illegal to burn coal, it is illegal to use natural gas for heating, it is illegal to use nuclear power for electricity, etc, etc. All fossil fuels are banned


Not in my state. Must be that Mandela guy's stuff.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
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Less pollution (not just co2) is better is it not?
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CO2 is not a pollutant, despite the claims from Obama's EPA... They also thought about labeling water vapor a pollutant, but since 99.9% of water vapor is produced naturally, they had no real reason to do so.

CO2 is a basic building block for most life on this planet, over 99%.

The large majority of life on Earth is carbon based for a reason.

CO2 is needed by most plant life on Earth, and in fact it has been pointed out many times that Earth has greened with the increase in atmospheric CO2.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They will make Arctic Blizzard illegal. Problem solved



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: generik

And?

We're just suppose to give up the cheapest fuel source we have, and put millions of people out of work, and destroy sectors of industry that does nothing to alleviate Cortez and Co's psychosis?


her plan is completely useless as long as all those people use coal and wood because that is all they can afford. and those who use such things far outnumber the population of the US. which means no real gains. although on the other side of the coin. MORE people would end up using things like coal and wood in the US, when electricity prices go through the roof from all the money needed to put all that useless green energy production gear into place. they are already having issues with the blades on wind turbines needing repair and replacement because they can not handle the stresses they are under, much earlier than expected. perhaps in 50 years this green energy won`t be the expensive boondoggle it is today and may actually be worthwhile. but not today. and highly unlikely to be very viable within AOC`s¸10 years and we are doomed scenerio



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They will make Arctic Blizzard illegal. Problem solved


They'll just tax snow.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They will make Arctic Blizzard illegal. Problem solved


They'll just tax snow.


Im moving to a flood plane, i know they wont tax a flood.

Snow is white ,so its on the table and fair game.

Mud is dark, so it would be racist to tax it.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They will make Arctic Blizzard illegal. Problem solved


They'll just tax snow.


Well they did tax the air.




posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:15 AM
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People would be better off spending the thousands they do on solar/wind.

Buying gas and coal stocks and using the dividends to pay your electric bills.

'Free' electricity.

My version anyway with capital preservation.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What is it that you believe I am saying?

I'm not a socialist.

Reread my post.
edit on 232019 by LunaticPandora because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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Well, I have my chainsaws and I have property with trees on it. I am going to buy a ten chord logging truck of wood next year to partially heat my house for five years. That is not fossil fuel and burning dead trees does not hurt the environment much, CO2 is released by rotting too.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 01:15 PM
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Imagine believing that Solar can't be used in the snow...


Imagine believing there are no other alternative power sources...


imagine being blinded by so much bias you make simple-minded statements out of ignorance



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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This is a stupid idea by a questionable person. So I will double down on the stupid;

According to recent reports we shouldn't need to worry so much about "Global Warming". This report out of CNN Yes it's CNN, but it's also a stupid report that ignores reality....Go figure


(CNN) When Europeans arrived in the Americas, they caused so much death and disease that it changed the global climate, a new study finds.
European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South, Central and North America, causing large swaths of farmland to be abandoned and reforested, researchers at University College London, or UCL, estimate. The increase in trees and vegetation across an area the size of France resulted in a massive decrease in carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, according to the study.
Carbon levels changed enough to cool the Earth by 1610, researchers found. Columbus arrived in 1492,


So instead of all these stupid rules, all we need to is go kill off a group of people and let their land go crazy.

A college friend of mine who studied the Amazon river basin told me that the majority of the Amazon rain forest isn't natural, but rather is a product of Incan and possible Omak cultivations getting left unattended. Her reasons had to do with the soil make up (or something like that. Honestly she lost me after telling me about this caterpillar whos bite produces severe diarrhea in people)



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: Guyfriday

There is always this lovely reply in response to that article

twitter.com...



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Guyfriday

There is always this lovely reply in response to that article

twitter.com...


Classic Twitter response #18.

I almost wonder if these types of stories are getting pushed in junction with climate change nonsense as a sad reason to justify some up coming genocide. We already know that many countries at the UN want Southern Africa some unknown reason, and we also know that many countries at the Un are really trying hard to push this climate change disaster as well.

It all seems coordinated.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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Whatever else AOC actually believes, she is either a willing or an unwitting tool for Agenda 21 with its focus on “sustainable development “ (read: social and economic control of all aspects of society and rationing of resources ).
Here’s an article about the so called Smart Grid smartgridawareness.org...
Technocracy smartgridawareness.org...-10301



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro


They're really pushing God's involvement in the presidency aren't they?

That's a very tough nut to chew on.

There is a term not much used these days: "ate up".

Ate-Up – Describes a servicemember who follows regulations so closely that they disregard the context of the situation. Conversely, may describe a servicemember who doesn't understand regulations at all.
www.military.com...


I view the term in the context of role playing. A person places herself, or finds herself in a role. The extent to which she allows the role to dictate her thinking, speaking, and actions contrary to what seems natural to her is the extent to which she is "ate up".

Being a polytheist myself, I have no compulsion to regard the "god of Trump", "the god of Pence", "the god of Sanders", "the god of Cortez", or the various and sundry gods of the often disparate Evangelical prophets supporting Trump as "God's chosen one" to be the One and Only God of monotheism.

Alexandria Cortez stepped into the minefield of speaking for her god about what he desires for people and the health of the World. That is her right. She didn't build the minefield; neither did she place the mines. It is Sarah Sanders' minefield. She is, after all, the official spokesperson for the officially "God chosen occupier of the White House."

Sanders, by being a monotheist, and speaking for the "One and Only of all the World" makes of herself a prophet. As prophet she intercedes for "the chosen one" to the people on behalf of her god by saying whatever she has to in order to make Trump's lies seem to not be lies. She is quite ate up I'm afraid.


Alexandria Cortez strikes me as someone genuinely being herself and speaking her mind, ie. not ate up.



posted on Feb, 3 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

If they tax the rich at 90% that would be billions of dollars surely?
Now if you changed those billions into $1 notes/bills and compressed them tightly enough into small bundles you could probably give every American enough bundles to stay warm with for days.

I’m not 100% sure that this is feasible but it would be the first government program that I’m aware of that would be honest about burning your tax dollars


It is not feasible at all... You tax 90% to the richest people, and you can say goodbye to all jobs. Not to mention that it would depreciate the U.S.D., and cause a Great Depression worse than what happened in the 1930s.



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