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Climate Change Laws Implemented by AOC, then Another Arctic Blizzard Occurs in Several States.

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posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: amazing


We're losing our minds because we can't focus on what's important.

You're absolutely right. We keep hearing people say things like this:

originally posted by: amazing

We can absolutely take care of almost all of our energy needs with renewables and better storage capacity.
which are simply untrue.

As long as this myth of renewable energy independence is thrown around, there can be no consensus. I don't care how many damn fingers you hold up or how many you tell me you held up, I'm going to state what you actually hold up.

We cannot support the nation's energy requirements on renewable energy sources. Period.

Maybe someday we can; I hope so. But someday is not today, no matter how many times you claim it or how many people you can convince to agree with you. Truth is truth, and if you want to start focusing on "the important stuff," you need to get your head clear on what is and is not reality.

TheRedneck




posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Why are you having such huge problems differentiating between weather and climate?

Is it education... or the lack thereof?


Hah that is rich...climate and weather are different ?

ONLY the educated fools from the left make those laughable claims.

The rest of us who actually study weather and actually see what causes most weather, to be weather actually can forecast weather more accurately than the educated morons who make all sorts of claims on climate and weather and yet are barely ever correct.

At least this week it is super cold even at the North Pole!

So the classic global warming makes it super cold because humans has disappeared at least for a few days.

Emotional nutbars running weather research are NOT what we need...



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
A lot of stupidity to unpack! First off coal is useless. That’s why coal jobs are plummeting despite Trump’s election. He can lie all he wants, but the market doesn’t lie. It’s not cost effective anymore to use coal for energy, which is also why every coal company in the US is phasing out.

As for nuclear power, the c02 emissions are negligible compared to every other energy source you named. Also plastics are made from fossil fuels, banning them is an impossibility.

So one of two things is happening here, either Representative Cortez has no ides what green house gases are, despite being an environmentalist. Or you’re lying. My god! A Trump voter lying! Say it ain’t so! Trump would never lie!

Also your confusing CLIMATE with WEATHER just like Trump. I wonder if u ppl ever pick up books or is his twitter feed the only literature u need?


Who is the first moron that SEPARATED the two lol.

One does not exist without the other...weather areas are just that..AND largely stay that way!

What evidence do you have that areas slowly changing is a bad thing that must be stopped at all costs ?

What is next ?

The seasons cause variations in weather ??

Err CLIMATE...oh my GOD !! Whatever will we do with constant changing weather !!

I know let us blame the climate for changing the weather...they are after all not related.



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Was "Noam Chomsky" born in Cuba, and lived in Cuba as a Cuban?... No... So your claim that Chomsky would have a better grasp than Cubans, who actually know the truth, is nothing but a red herring, and false. Not to mention the fact that Chomsky described himself as a "libertarian socialist," which is an oxymoron in and of itself. There is no such thing as "liberalism" under "socialism."

One of the principles of "Liberalism" is "the autonomy of the individual," although for a while now this principle seems to have been abandoned by Liberals. Under socialism the individual does not matter, as the collective is more important, and as such "individual rights" do not matter and are abandoned in favor for "the good of the collective."

As for your claim, and that of Chomsky, that the communist regime in Cuba abided by "international rules..." That's once again FALSE. The first thing the communist revolutionaries did once the "socialist revolution" took control in Cuba was to execute EVERYONE who was part of the old government.

There were no trials, there were no public hearings, nor any form of "international rule" was EVER used at any time by the communists. Instead people were marched to the back of a building and shot in the head, or by firing squads. That treatment didn't stop with former government officials/employees. If any Cuban family member dared state, or protest against "the socialist revolution," those family members were rounded up and in front of their families they were executed. Such executions included minors who would dare side with their father, or other family member. None of these people had committed any sort of violence, they simply didn't want to accept communist rule.

BTW, it is a known fact, by all except left-wingers like yourself, that the communist regime of Cuba has involved itself in other countries by force, and by other means such as positioning spies in government jobs in many countries, including the U.S., to destabilize those nations. Not to mention the fact that the communist regime has given aid in manpower, which has included Cuban soldiers, training, and other forms of aid such as military equipment to various countries in which "communists revolutionaries" were/have been trying to depose the government in those countries, such as Angola.

Cuban intervention in Angola

The Cuban communist regime also has a history of allowing terrorists, murderers, bank robbers and hijackers from all over the world to seek refuge in Cuba. Such terrorists include terrorists from the IRA such as Niall Connelly, Black Liberation Army terrorist such as Assata Shakur/Joanne Chesimard, and F.A.L.N. Puerto Rican terrorist bomb maker Willie Morales among many others.

Then there is the "involvement" of Cuba with Colombia's terrorist group FARC.
It was also "Cuba" which recently under claims of working for "peace talks" between FARC terrorists and Colombia, had been trying to give exonerations for all FARC terrorists for all their crimes, despite the fact that Columbia has called for Cuba to give up 10 FARC commanders who are still residing in Cuba under pretenses of "peace talks."

Colombia blames ELN for bomb, presses Cuba to arrest leaders

Part of the deal the communist regime of Cuba wants between FARC and the government of Colombia, is for all FACR terrorists to be exonerated for the decades of terrorism they forced upon the people of Colombia...

Not to mention the fact that Cuba has shot down at least two civilian U.S. planes from "Brothers to the Rescue" which had 4 civilians, 3 American citizens, and a legal resident, who were looking for stranded Cubans in boats in international waters.

1996 shootdown of Brothers to the Rescue aircraft


BTW, Cuba still has many spies in the U.S., including people in government, or civil positions.

To this day Cuba is still broadcasting encrypted information to spies in the U.S. by use of radio stations/Cuban numbers stations.

Cuba's Mysterious 'Numbers Station' Is Still on the Air

Let's not forget Cuba's involvement with Venezuela. People in government in Venezuela, and former military personnel like Maj. Gen. Antonio Rivero, have pointed out that there are Cuban government agents working in Venezuela's government, as well as military personnel from Cuba are still in Venezuela to help oppress the Venezuelan people.

Ex-general: Venezuela army secrets in Cuban hands

So you see, this claim by Chomsky, and people like you, that "Cuba has been abiding by international rule" is a joke, and a lie.


edit on 7-2-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You are correct in that Denmark and Norway are not Socialist governments. That's why I find it funny when people like AOC or Bernie Sanders talk about what they want to do, they're doing a lot of what Norway and Denmark are doing. Not what Venezuela is doing.


Now I know you are intentionally being dishonest...
AOC is proposing a tax of 70%-90% for rich people....

Is that what Denmark and Norway are doing?... NO. I proved to you your claim was false, and you still want to claim my argument supports yours?



posted on Feb, 7 2019 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: JourneymanWelder
So just because some places are cold climate change is fake? Do you realize how mental you sound right now op?


First of all, there is a big difference between Anthropogenic Global Warming, which is the claim that mankind is the cause for global warming, and Climate Change. But that's not the point...

Second of all, nowhere in this thread was it inferred by me that "climate change and weather are the same thing."
But people who obviously have a lack of reading comprehension, such as yourself, keep making red herrings and false claims.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: amazing


We're losing our minds because we can't focus on what's important.

You're absolutely right. We keep hearing people say things like this:

originally posted by: amazing

We can absolutely take care of almost all of our energy needs with renewables and better storage capacity.
which are simply untrue.

As long as this myth of renewable energy independence is thrown around, there can be no consensus. I don't care how many damn fingers you hold up or how many you tell me you held up, I'm going to state what you actually hold up.

We cannot support the nation's energy requirements on renewable energy sources. Period.

Maybe someday we can; I hope so. But someday is not today, no matter how many times you claim it or how many people you can convince to agree with you. Truth is truth, and if you want to start focusing on "the important stuff," you need to get your head clear on what is and is not reality.

TheRedneck


Okay. How is that a myth? Keep in mind that I said almost. I have solar panels on my house and even on cloudy days they still produce energy. Then we have wind/geothermal/hydroelectric and better batter -storage and recycling technology almost monthly. We also keep getting better insulation. etc etc.

If we really pushed....

Almost every new car and motorcycle could be electric.
We could power most buildings with renewable...keeping in mind that with better power transportation...solar power produced in Nevada could heat a home in Utah
Every new home is already more energy efficient than previous homes
Every appliance is more energy efficient.

Non of this is a Myth. I'm not saying every green deal thing is the best thing for the country all I'm saying is..

The Myth is that we need to wait for the future..one day. No. wE can start doing this stuff now.



posted on Feb, 8 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You are correct in that Denmark and Norway are not Socialist governments. That's why I find it funny when people like AOC or Bernie Sanders talk about what they want to do, they're doing a lot of what Norway and Denmark are doing. Not what Venezuela is doing.


Now I know you are intentionally being dishonest...
AOC is proposing a tax of 70%-90% for rich people....

Is that what Denmark and Norway are doing?... NO. I proved to you your claim was false, and you still want to claim my argument supports yours?



I'm just trying to get to the truth. If you look at what they're proposing, instead of just looking the socialist word you'll see that they really are copying policy in the nordic countries. If you dislike the nordic countries that's fine, just tell me why, but don't all of a sudden through Venuazela in there. LOL

Here.

And yes, Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world with a total tax burden of roughly 45% of GDP– almost 4x Hong Kong and nearly twice the US. VAT here is a whopping 25%. Personal income tax rates border 55%. Corporate profits tax ranges from 28% to as high as 78%



posted on Feb, 10 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: amazing

I'm just trying to get to the truth.


You are not "trying to find the truth." You are purposedly making claims which are false.

" ...
in Denmark they don't tax the rich 70%-90% of their income, as it is done under socialism. There are two brackets of taxes for employment/self-employment income. The bottom bracket, above DKK 46,200, taxes 12.16%. Meanwhile the top bracket, above DKK 513,400, taxes an additional 15%. The municipal taxes in Denmark tax between 22.5% - 27.8% FOR EVERYONE.
..."

In Denmark they tax 34.66% for the bottom bracket, and 38.96% for the top bracket. The "rich" only get taxed 4.30% more than the poorer people... This IS NOT what AOC wants... She wants to tax the rich 70%-90%, which will bankrupt this nation and plunge us into the worst depression we have seen.

How is it that you can't understand that taxing the rich 70%-90% of their income taxes IS NOT the same as taxing the rich 4.30% more than the bottom racket are taxed at 38.96%?..


originally posted by: amazing
If you look at what they're proposing, instead of just looking the socialist word you'll see that they really are copying policy in the nordic countries. If you dislike the nordic countries that's fine, just tell me why, but don't all of a sudden through Venuazela in there. LOL


Nordic nations do not have socialism in them... They are very capitalists... BTW, it isn't just because of the word "socialism hehe, hehehe...." AOC/Bernie Sanders' ideas are all SOCIALIST. Sanders wants to ban all firearms, and so does AOC. They want the government controlling all means of production. They want to tax the rich exuberant income taxes which will bankrupt them, and it will also bankrupt the nation.

Taxing the rich 38.96%, or 43.9% is not the same as taxing them 70%-90%...


originally posted by: amazing
Here.

And yes, Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world with a total tax burden of roughly 45% of GDP– almost 4x Hong Kong and nearly twice the US. VAT here is a whopping 25%. Personal income tax rates border 55%. Corporate profits tax ranges from 28% to as high as 78%


According to this site, Oslo's total taxes are 43.9%
Comparing Tax Rates in the U.S. and Norway

And according to this site the corporate income tax in Norway is 24% as of 2018...
Norway Corporate Tax Rate

So you are pulling numbers out of a magic hat that doesn't exist...




edit on 10-2-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Feb, 10 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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As far as coal being ineffective goes , A ton of coal in a coal stove that heats the water and the rest of the house during the Winter, sounds like a good idea when you only need a fraction of the electricity to run the tv and the other less demanding appliances. They are banning it because it makes everyone buy expensive unreliable electricity from the private power suppliers.



posted on Feb, 10 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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Okay. How is that a myth? Keep in mind that I said almost. I have solar panels on my house and even on cloudy days they still produce energy. Then we have wind/geothermal/hydroelectric and better batter -storage and recycling technology almost monthly. We also keep getting better insulation. etc etc.

Sigh...

Hoss, I have been working in electronics and electrical for over 40 years. I spent part of that time as a licensed electrician. I hold a Bachelors in Science in Electronic Engineering from one of the highest rated Engineering Universities in the nation, and am 4 classes from a Masters. I am also an avid fan of physics, and work free lance as a research engineer.

And this professional is telling you that the claim of green energy capability is a myth.

You can point out all the different technologies you want. I have studied them all. I am familiar with them all. And none of them, not a single one, has the ability to replace fossil fuels. All of them together cannot replace fossil fuels. Your claims are borne out of ignorance.


If we really pushed....

That's what you don't get. We are pushing. We have been pushing. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of engineers across the country are working constantly to come up with new technology and better efficiency. And every time we come up with something, it's not good enough.



If you think it's so easy, YOU GO DO IT!


The Myth is that we need to wait for the future..one day. No. wE can start doing this stuff now.

Then show me. Let's see what you can put together. Take your own home completely off the grid... I don't mean adding solar panels with a tie inverter... I mean take it off the grid, completely, and when you have had no interruption of power for a year, I'll eat these words and listen to what you have to say. Show me how you can power your transportation off that supply without the grid to back you up. Include a ten-wheel truck hauling freight once a week... just once a week... to simulate commercial transportation on a small scale.

SHOW ME.

Until you can show me something, you're just adding to Global Warming by spewing hot air.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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And I respect your accomplishments and knowledge. Keep in mind that I said almost.

It's done in sections...Like every car could be electric right now. Every house could be powered by solar right now. Trucks are right around the corner. Ships could be several decades out. But you get the idea.



posted on Feb, 11 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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And I respect your accomplishments and knowledge. Keep in mind that I said almost.

Thank you. It seems like a thankless quest sometimes.


It's done in sections...

Yes, it will have to be done in increments. It's not that we can't make electric cars; we can. They work well... as long as they are charged. They have a limited range, just like a gasoline car. But the difference is that there are gas stations on almost every corner, while high-speed charging stations are few and far between.

Trucks are not as close as you think. Unlike most cars, trucks can traverse the entire US without stopping. They also can have a gross weight of 40 tons, 20+ times the heaviest personal vehicles. The amount of torque needed to pull a mountain loaded is literally mind-boogling, and far beyond what batteries are capable of delivering at present. We'll get there, but don't expect it tomorrow.

Ships are indeed far out... it's going to be difficult to put charging stations in the middle of the Atlantic.

TheRedneck




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