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Democrat Governor Wants In-Home Surveillance of Newborn Babies

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posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: SarahConnor

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
I appreciated it a lot and will appreciate it for our second too!
Oh congratulations, how far gone are you?

I agree, the community nurses gave me so much support and encouragement, they are a lifeline...and free at the point of need.


Wife is due in May


We have a boy and soon to have a little girl.

I honestly don't know what we would have done without the midwifes coming out, my wife had a particularly bad labour and recovery. Honestly, invaluable service.

I think if you are worried about having a professional coming out to check your baby, maybe you should take a look at how you are raising your baby before complaining about the nanny state.




posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Already posted to ATS.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 12:39 PM
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This is so far into the unlawful search and seizure realm it's comedic.

Even if it's passed as a state law, the SCOTUS will have to shoot it down.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears
Would you mind being the first to volunteer for mandatory check-ups by strangers of the state who have a history of kidnapping children with threats of violence and having them abused while in custody?

It is pretty well established that non-compliance of government directives ends up with the enforcers of violence showing up to put parents in a cage while their children are abused in custody of the state.

If somebody suspects that a specific infant newborn is being abused or neglected, then they can file a report with the police department or the CPS in that state. What this bill advocates, is the presumption of guilt on all parents in their inability to raise children.

Also, you should try to be less predictable. I suspected the moment I saw your name in a reply that the post would be full of personal/political attacks and insults laced with a few off topic remarks, and sure enough, that is exactly what we got.

Looking forward to your next predictably insulting reply.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner
I think if your wife and you were so inept on how to raise and care for a child, perhaps you both should have thought carefully about having children? I barely even know what a midwife is, or why we would need one when there are a dozen hospitals in this city. I guess if you were rural it makes sense to have someone come out. What you are basically saying though, is you are happy that you had somebody around that took the place of what the grandmother would normally do, come out, change diapers, and fix some holistic remedies for what ails thee.

Did you ask for this voluntarily, or was it mandated by threat of violence for non-compliance (aka, either comply or badges come to kidnap your children and throw you into a cage) ???

I think you should probably reevaluate what Stockholm syndrome is, as it seems our European serfs are quite content with the threat of violence for non-compliance with mandatory snooping and presumption of guilt.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

This is exactly what many of us have been predicting. This is just the first step toward completely relieving parents of their duty.

This particular part of it will start just for newborns. Then people will say "well what about toddlers?" And eventually we will have cameras inside all rooms. And you will be visited by government agents if they feel you are influencing your child in controversial non approved ways.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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Wouldn't all you Patriotic "Pro-life" people love this, to make sure the ""life of the baby is upheld""



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX
our principal is not to murder the innocent who have committed no sin or grievance against another human or life form. Its a shame some jurisdictions offer more protections to unborn animals than they do humans as some of the states removing homicide for the death of an unborn still charge twice for animal cruelty if it was carrying young. That is quite savage and barbaric and pathetically disgusting.

So you also believe in the presumption of guilt for ALL parents and violent force for kidnapping children for non-compliance?



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

I am really confused now as there are many a thread on ATS with lots of stars and flags stating that democrats support killing babies and how monsterous they are

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now they are trying to keep babies alive to infringe on privacy rights

Why not let the woman who is carrying and the man who donated the sperm decide with guidance from medical experts, there can be many a valid reason for abortion, meaning that there needs to be written law. if the pregnancy goes full term (all being well) then whats wrong with support, not every parent is responsible or even wanted the baby

the opening paragraph of your source alludes to something in the UK we call a midwife, they are really helpful to all parents but also help signpost any issues with mum and dad or baby....sounds so scary to have assistance when the woman could be suffering Postnatal depression, maybe dad works and mum is alone and struggling, but nah makes more sense to say big brother dim lefties



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

I don't believe you, or I, or the Government, Or the State or "Laws" or Religion or some idiotic idea of "morality" decide what people do



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: UpIsNowDown

I agree the hypocrisy from the left is laughable. Seriously some of you will so easily give away all your freedoms to any politician salesman.

We have plenty of services available to help new parents raise their children without a government worker knocking on your door.

So what do you suggest happens if you refuse?



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: SarahConnor

That's the big difference. Y'all have community nurses. What we're talking about boils down to freakin social workers, not nurses, aides, home-health helpers, etc. going into people's homes for no valid reason.

I don't know how it is in the UK, but in the US, our "child protective service" is a nightmare. There are countless stories of them leaving children in the most appalling situations, sometimes with the children ending up dead, but even more stories of them hounding parents or even taking children away when the parents are doing absolutely nothing wrong. And once they're involved in your life, there's little you can do. They are above the law. They can take your kids for any reason they see fit and all they have to do is claim that they felt the child was in danger. They don't have to give you a reason. They don't have to prove it. They are invested with the power to ruin people's lives, and they are basically answerable to no one. The idea of having them come into the home of every new parent is terrifying.

Now. Here in Missouri--I have no idea if any other states have it--we do have a nice program for new parents. It's called "Parents as Teachers" which is kind of a misnomer.

With this program, which is voluntary, someone will visit your home once a month from the time your baby is born till they're school age. They visit with you and listen to any issues you might be having and offer advice. They check your child's development--are they rolling over when they should be, walking, talking, etc. If something isn't right, they give you advice and hook you up with whoever you need to help. When they're beyond babyhood, they play games with kids to see any areas where they might be behind (or ahead) developmentally and, if there's a problem, offer you solutions. (For instance, they had me have one of my boys practice reaching across his body to pick things up instead of using the nearest hand to spur new connections in one part of his brain.)

It's a great program, especially for parent's who are isolated (I lived a billion miles out in the sticks) or don't have much support, and I'd be happy to see something like this anywhere--provided it was voluntary. There needs to be an opt-out--without repercussions!--clause. But social workers in everyone's home? Oh HELL no. Most of us would as soon let the SS in.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: LordAhriman

No, unacceptable. The state has no business getting involved. Natural birth at home is best option, file paperwork when/if you feel like it. Even with this law, it could be easily subverted in such a way as to give the child a shot at true freedom. Going to criminalize not "reporting" a live birth now?

Leftists,



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

no way man

the children need to be looked after and protected at all costs.
they are very important.

a lot of effort is put into caring about them while they are in utero.
lets get that same thing going for after as well.
again, they are very important.

the younger you are the more important you are.
when you get into not even born yet then you are mad important.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
bverted in such a way as to give the child a shot at true freedom. Going to criminalize not "reporting" a live birth now?

Leftists,


might as well
its a crime not to report a death



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: worldstarcountry

no way man

the children need to be looked after and protected at all costs.
they are very important.

a lot of effort is put into caring about them while they are in utero.
lets get that same thing going for after as well.
again, they are very important.

the younger you are the more important you are.
when you get into not even born yet then you are mad important.




I see you can't answer the question, do you want big bro in your house?

Woof.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: riiver
It is qualified nurses who visit here, qualified midwives. They are amazing people, you have no idea how many of my friends will agree that the support and comfort they provide is amazing, totally socialist, but to a new mother they are angels. They will help you with all kinds of things like a social worker would, and the talk when they insist on privacy from male partners for 5 minutes is a brilliant policy, gives the woman a chance to ask for help if she is in an abusive relationship. Maybe the US should look at a similar scheme, it has helped many women and children here in Britain.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: SarahConnor

I think it's a great system you have, personally, but we're really not talking about the same kind of thing. For example, you have midwives that come to people's homes. In the US, midwifery is still looked at by suspicion by a huge swath of the population. Nurse Midwives can now practice legally in all 50 states, but it was a hard fight to get to that point, and Certified Professional Midwives--those trained in midwifery only and not broader nursing--are still illegal in quite a few states, though that's slowly changing. As recently as the 80s, I heard of people having Child Protective Services try to take their babies BECAUSE they chose a midwife. So the friendly health visitor y'all (rightly) love is an alien concept here. We're talking about letting Social Services, the object of whose game is to find something wrong, into the homes of everyone who has a new baby so they can poke around and look for something to find fault with.

And for you other US residents who don't understand why the UK members think we're nuts for being against this, go watch a couple episodes of "Call the Midwife" on Netflix. It's set back in the 50's and things have certainly changed since then, but it'll give you a better picture of where they're coming from. Health visitors aren't the brownshirts over there, they're actually a helpful part of society.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: SarahConnor
a reply to: riiver
It is qualified nurses who visit here, qualified midwives. They are amazing people, you have no idea how many of my friends will agree that the support and comfort they provide is amazing, totally socialist, but to a new mother they are angels. They will help you with all kinds of things like a social worker would, and the talk when they insist on privacy from male partners for 5 minutes is a brilliant policy, gives the woman a chance to ask for help if she is in an abusive relationship. Maybe the US should look at a similar scheme, it has helped many women and children here in Britain.


I am sure they are amazing people. I don't think anyone has a problem with people like this being available to anyone to come to your house. The issue here with this proposed legislation is that if you don't need or want their help, there could be criminal ramifications. In no way should a new parent with no cause (i.e. child services has not been notified of a potential problem) be FORCED to have a social visit of any sort.



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: StallionDuck

I am really confused now as there are many a thread on ATS with lots of stars and flags stating that democrats support killing babies and how monsterous they are

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now they are trying to keep babies alive to infringe on privacy rights

Why not let the woman who is carrying and the man who donated the sperm decide with guidance from medical experts, there can be many a valid reason for abortion, meaning that there needs to be written law. if the pregnancy goes full term (all being well) then whats wrong with support, not every parent is responsible or even wanted the baby

the opening paragraph of your source alludes to something in the UK we call a midwife, they are really helpful to all parents but also help signpost any issues with mum and dad or baby....sounds so scary to have assistance when the woman could be suffering Postnatal depression, maybe dad works and mum is alone and struggling, but nah makes more sense to say big brother dim lefties


Then offer assistance don't force it. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. No warrant no entry, period. My house is not a "Gun Free Zone", though it is a "Weapons Free" zone.




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