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Dont Americans feel guilt?(AIDS related)

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posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder
why should the govt feel guilty about people having lots of unprotected sex, often of the anal variety


Because the government supposedly made this disease to target those ppl.




posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56

Originally posted by blueorder
why should the govt feel guilty about people having lots of unprotected sex, often of the anal variety


Because the government supposedly made this disease to target those ppl.


that's a big supposition, and I aint seen too much to back up such a theory



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by IAmHungry
AIDS is a completely preventable disease. Most (not all, when
you account for rape cases and liars and whatnot) people who
have the virus are the ones responsible, because they chose ...


Exactly. No guilt here. Lots of people forget these facts.
Thanks for the reminder. You have my first vote for 'way above'
for March!
HIV and AIDS are completely preventable
(unless you are born with it or get it from a transfusion). The
'cure' is cheap ... STOP SCREWING AROUND. It doesn't cost
billions of dollars in medical research to stop HIV. Just a change
oflifestyle. Those billions could be spent on other research
areas that actually need it.



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 09:36 AM
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Just another wonderful example of the kind of misinformation that is so readily accepted by America's distractors that condem the US in their sleep. Suppose the US created AIDS. I mean if we are suppose to be so evil, wouldn't we with have come up with a better disease that isn't so damn preventable. One only has to practice save sex. Hum! Man those ingenious Americans, they are trying to fool the world into having safe sex. Man just how evil can we be
I joined ATS thinking that I would enjoy all the informative and intelligent views of current worlds events. All I am seeing is flagrant vicious attacks on America with little or no basis in fact. I thought ATS motto was to "Deny ignorance?'
The only thing that is being denied here is the truth. It's no wonder there is so much hate simmering for America. I'd hate us too if I thought for a second we were half as bad as we are made out to be. Just remember this people, you reap what you sew. Hatred works both ways and you are giving people like me plenty of ammo
You see foreign crowds screaming 'Death to the Americans' all the time on TV. How are you going to feel when you start seeing mainstream Americans screaming,' Nuke'em All' Keep pushing!



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Well people need excuses, God forbid it was peoples own fault for spreading the disease, Much easier to blame us. They do it all over the world and I have to take it as a grain of salt.

It pretty simple, I have sex (some times lots of it LOL ) Never gotten someone pregnant, Never gotten a disease. and if I did . It would be MY FAULT. Own up to your own mistakes and stop blaming others , I thinks



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 02:23 AM
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We didnt create AIDS to control the black population.

We created Crack for that duh!



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 03:27 AM
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Actually i should have said"dont white people feel guilt".As it is obvious AIds is a man made virus.Just because you are a caucasian and dont get aids doesnt mean you wont do anything.You see white people have delta32 anti virus or something in them and thats why they dont get aids through sex.The western culture is mostly based around sex and if you see xxx movies 99.9% are white actors\actress.white people are more horny than non whites but still sont get Aids.The only way not to get aids is either be a white man or be born in a new planet imo.This is just not right.The us govt is doing genocide and the nazi genocide is nothing compared to this aids genocide.Yuo have to be a non white to feel it.And if you say that aids is not prevelant in white countires cuz we are more educated then this is just wrong as afro americans are also educated and living an westarn country and still have aids prevalent then whites.



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by warthog911
Actually i should have said"dont white people feel guilt".As it is obvious AIds is a man made virus.Just because you are a caucasian and dont get aids doesnt mean you wont do anything.You see white people have delta32 anti virus or something in them and thats why they dont get aids through sex.The western culture is mostly based around sex and if you see xxx movies 99.9% are white actors\actress.white people are more horny than non whites but still sont get Aids.The only way not to get aids is either be a white man or be born in a new planet imo.This is just not right.The us govt is doing genocide and the nazi genocide is nothing compared to this aids genocide.Yuo have to be a non white to feel it.And if you say that aids is not prevelant in white countires cuz we are more educated then this is just wrong as afro americans are also educated and living an westarn country and still have aids prevalent then whites.


White people don't get AIDS? Where in the hell do you get your information? You can't possibly be that ignorant can you? The only place where any group has shown any signs of immunity to aids in in Africa. There is currently a case study going on studying a few Black prostitues in Africa who seem to show mmunity. It is the only case I know of. Your ignorance warthog is stunning in its scope and mindboggling in its breadth.



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by warthog911
Actually i should have said"dont white people feel guilt".As it is obvious AIds is a man made virus.Just because you are a caucasian and dont get aids doesnt mean you wont do anything.You see white people have delta32 anti virus or something in them and thats why they dont get aids through sex.The western culture is mostly based around sex and if you see xxx movies 99.9% are white actors\actress.white people are more horny than non whites but still sont get Aids.The only way not to get aids is either be a white man or be born in a new planet imo.This is just not right.The us govt is doing genocide and the nazi genocide is nothing compared to this aids genocide.Yuo have to be a non white to feel it.And if you say that aids is not prevelant in white countires cuz we are more educated then this is just wrong as afro americans are also educated and living an westarn country and still have aids prevalent then whites.


that's probably the singular most idiotic post I have ever read on these forums.

* white people can get AIDS
* white people can get AIDS through sex
* white people die of AIDS
* blacks have unprotected sex much more often than whites- hence the stats
* Id be interested in where you get your porn stats from, perhaps you should stay away from "blonde" sites- seems to me *so Im told* there are plenty of black specialist sites
* "white people are more horny than non whites"- where do you begin with this golden nugget- clearly blacks have much more unprotected sex, much of it must be of the anal variety- I really dont want to turn this into some sort of race argument, but your post needs to be shown up for the ramblings of a village idiot.

Honestly, it's like listening to the ramblings of a child incapable of the concept of being responsible for your own actions


[edit on 2-3-2005 by blueorder]



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 05:25 AM
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I was debating on whether to respond to this thread, the subject was so idiodic, but as I read further, it begged an answer.

Do I feel guilt? No. Why should I? Lets say AIDS was engineered by the govornment to reduce the third world population. Well, the guilt then would lie in the people who created and spread it. Not me or other Americans. I did not create the virus. Nor did I spread it, nor did I plot to spread it. And if AIDS was a virus created by the govornment, they did so without the consent of the American public, and more than likely, without the consent of the American congress, since such a project would have obviously been a black project, and thus not approved or supervised by congress or the American people. So, no, I would not feel guilty about it. I am not my govornment nor its shadow master. I would of course, be quite disgusted with whoever created the virus, and feel whoever was responsible for the creation of the virus and plan to distribute it should be executed for crimes against humanity. But Id feel not guilt nor shame on a personal or national level.

Nor do I feel ashamed to be white, nor would I ever. Simply because some white goober wants to wipe out al non whites does not reflect on me. nor most whites, and Id not feel any guilt over his actions, just a desire to see him removed from the genepool.

Of course, this is all assuming that AIDS was man made. I used to be in the camp that believed AIDS was man made, and there seemed to be convicing evidence at the time, from pretty good sources, that suggested not so much the US govornment creating it, but that it did seem to come from mysterious origin, was unaturally adaptive, and seemed to prefer certain groups of people.

But as years roll on, and Ive looked more and more into the subject, I now see that the idea that the US gov engineered it to wipe out the third world populations is full of holes and illogical. For one, Africa would not be the target of such a plan: it has no capable armies, little technology, and poses almost no threat to the US. However, China back then, was growing, its population spinning out of control, and was a quicjky growing threat. If we were going to engineer a virus to kill soecific populations, we would have created something that would wipe out Asians as a whole.

The fact that more than just blacks get AIDS also kills this whole arguement that it was artifically engineered. All races are equally suceptable to getting AIDS. Africa has a high AIDS rate mainly because of their culture and attitudes towards men and women, plus religous problems in birth copntrol and using condoms, plus the lack of education. In America, blacks get AIDS alot more than whites because more of them live below the poverty level and have lower educational backgrounds, all of which foster a climate where AIDS can spread easily through drugsd and unprotected sex.

AIDS has been foind in very old carcasses and in the deep jungle. Its probably a very old disease, and only now has spread beyond the jungles of Africa BECAUSe world travel and contact with many cultures is at an all time high in history. Before this century, sub Saharan Africa had little to basically no contact with the world, thus any viruses or diseases native to the area would have remained local within a few tribes. However, now adays, people from every corner of the globe travel there, and are thus spreading a once isolated virus.

However, AIDS is spreading rapidly through all races. Its getting bigger in Asia, rates are going sky high in Latin America, and Eastern Europe, which is populated by white people, has numbers also going through the roof.

So, now that wqeve shot this out of the water, I must ponder, what great evil will America get blamed for next?



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 06:06 AM
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ya know....
the idea that aids is completely preventable......is a crock....

first......babies are born with the disease....so how could they prevent it?
second....contaminated tissues and blood seem to have gone through the system unnoticed....and this has infected people....ya, I suspose these people could have prevented it, they could have refused the treatment.....and probably have died anyways.
third.....I'm sorry, but for many people, faith and god are important issues....and well, it doesn't help when you have religous institutions (and I guess our schools now)....teaching an abstinance only policy towards this.....for them to not mention condoms as a real alternative worthy of consideration is just dumb in my opinion.
fourth....women in American enjoy more liberties than their counterparts in many other countries. Aids is hitting africa hard....and most of those women don't have the luxury of being able to refuse the sexual advances, have extramerital sex, or complain much if their husbands do........again, I don't see how they could have prevented it....and still live.
fifth.....even in america, can you really be sure that your chosen partner is truely being manogomous with you?

and well, as a side effect of this disease, we now have babies and very small girls in Africa being raped because of a belief that it will cure the disease...

If Aids was let of out pandora's box like some are claiming, it was the decision of WHO that ordered it, not the US...we're just the puppet that had the strings pulled to create the thing. SO it seems to me, that it shouldn't be the Americans that are blamed but rather the bunch of rich and powerful people of many nationalities who put the plan together.



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 07:30 AM
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Dawn Star, As you may be right Victims of Rape, Blood transfusions , etc. these things are not preventable to the victim but these people are victims of crime or neglect and make up a small portion of people who get AIDs. The larger protion and the casue of such a rapid spread of the disease are the people in high risk situations that do not take the proper precautions.

Not to mention the US didnt make AIDS lol... Someone above said something to the fact of, Dont you think we could have come up with a better one?



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by ShiftTrio
Dawn Star, As you may be right Victims of Rape, Blood transfusions , etc. these things are not preventable to the victim but these people are victims of crime or neglect and make up a small portion of people who get AIDs. The larger protion and the casue of such a rapid spread of the disease are the people in high risk situations that do not take the proper precautions.

Not to mention the US didnt make AIDS lol... Someone above said something to the fact of, Dont you think we could have come up with a better one?



All I was pointing out was that even if it was true....it wouldn't be solely the US that should be held responsible....since WHO is an international organization, I believe headed by the UN....maybe they should be the one's ashamed?

I also take debate with the idea that most of those who have aids have it because of their own actions.
this might be true in some counties...but overall, I highly doubt it....I think what is going on in africa alone would throw the numbers in favor of the idea that it is the innocents that are being harmed the worst....and they are not victims or crime or rape, but rather of "superstition" and "tradition".



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 08:26 AM
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I think what is going on in africa alone would throw the numbers in favor of the idea that it is the innocents that are being harmed the worst....and they are not victims or crime or rape, but rather of "superstition" and "tradition".


Which "superstition" and "tradition" are we talking about?
The one where they refuse to change behavior to prevent transmission.
Or the one where they refuse to take any precaution at all to prevent the spread.

[edit on 2/3/05 by Skibum]



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 08:37 AM
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posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by dawnstar


and they are not victims or crime or rape, but rather of "superstition" and "tradition".


Good Point on the Superstition in Africa, Still Victims if you ask me, but that a different debate. I do think Superstition falls into the "YOur Own Fault" Category for the people who get it becase of Superstition. IMO. But lack of education is the fault of thier Goverment , not the people, to a certain extent. there has to be some accountablity depending on how silly the Superstition is.



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 01:00 PM
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well, actually the "superstition" I was referring to couldn't be that silly, it is still pretty much accepted by many religious organizations here in america....
read the link that I posted above



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 01:07 PM
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Other than the Catholic churh I don't know of any major religions in America that detest the use of protection and even alot of catholics I know disregard that. However most religions do look down on promiscuity and pre marital sex. But even taking the religous aspect out of the discussion, just the fact that the HIV virus is out there is a pretty good reason to keep your fly zipped.



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Skibum
Other than the Catholic churh I don't know of any major religions in America that detest the use of protection and even alot of catholics I know disregard that. However most religions do look down on promiscuity and pre marital sex. But even taking the religous aspect out of the discussion, just the fact that the HIV virus is out there is a pretty good reason to keep your fly zipped.


""Subject to their own husbands" (Titus 2: 5). Isn’t that interesting? Older women are to teach younger women about being subject to their own husbands. Why? Because there is a constant battle going on. We see this in the world. What is the feminist movement saying? "We have to throw off the leadership of men. We have to demonstrate that a man does not lead or rule over a woman. A woman can be everything a man can be. A woman can be as good a leader as a man. A woman . . ." and on and on. It shouldn’t be surprising that when you come to the Scripture it tells the godly older women to teach the younger women about being subject to their own husbands.

Another problem with the wife working outside the home is that she is most likely placed under the authority of another man—her boss. My wife is submissive to me. She has learned to be submissive to her own husband. My wife is my responsibility. Can I throw her out there and force her to learn to be subject to any other man? One man in her life is enough!"

www.biblebb.com...

some of the societies in africa would be more similar to 17th and 18th centuries here in america.

women who are solely dependent on their husbands, invisable in the world of law, delegated with less rights than the son's that they are raising, and unable to own property or earn money.....just DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEDGE TO KEEP IT ZIPPED!

so, I know many a christian take the position that hey, aids is avoidable, all you have to do is not have sex....while at the same time, insisting that men should have this elevated status in the world....while the women depends on him for her substinance.....
and they seem to wish the laws reinforce this belief

so, well, how can the women in africa, some of whom have less legal rights than the 5 year old son she is raising protect herself from aids if her husband decides to go out and have from with a prostitute? she can't.
and neither would many women here in america, if they actuallly believed and accepted the idea that they should be obeying their husbands in all things....like alot of the religions teach... or if the legal system was altered to place her in that position?



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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I guess that if that is the case, then there is very little we as Americans can do about it. Help for Africans, would have to come through themselves.
They would have to realize that their own culture is basically destroying them. Until they see the need to change and develop the desire to change, then they will be at the will of their own culture. Nothing you or I do will be able to change it for them. Perhaps one day, a few decades from now when someone looks around and sees that most of the people surrounding him are dead or dying, a light bulb will go off and change may begin. Hopefully it is not too late when that happens.

If a culture is that self destructive and unwilling to change there is little hope for them.




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