Sarah Sanders Confirms - GOD Wanted Donald Trump to be President of the United States.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Ive grown used to you be as sensible as anyone could ever hope to. Only in here to find you buying into this pretext that is the ultimate in blind worship loyalty.

Every ruler since the dawn of time has dreamed of if not brazenly harnessed the commoners coming to believe GOD put them there, from the Pharohs to Divine Right to Dubya.

This is all the basis of if you're against Trump you're against God.

Is that Old Testament (Judaism) or New Testament (Christdom) you're going by there?

Doesnt matter, just like we dont have to fire IT (as if the creator of the universe is a man with genitalia and facial hair and hormones, as if it would have legs for walking on a solid planet). It quit on us from the start. Look at history. The masses from Babylon to the United States getting screwed over hand over fist, often overtly and with violence of some sort from one direction or to another, and everyone happy to go along with it. Tyrannical dictatorship all across it. The very word "civilization" most of the time throughout the past 5000 years being defined by empires. Empires of brutality, exploitation, etc. Whereas the two significant points in history that lacked an empire are both literally called a "dark ages". And the thing is, with our flawed deeply nature, it really was 'dark' during those times. Its as if we're unable to thrive without empires. The bitch there of course is for an empire to thrive those past its borders must suffer or worse, while generally only an existence worth mentioning for the clique of psychopaths at the 'top'. And nevermind how god made psychopaths. Or all those pyramids that were modeled by the rulers to represent the tiered society they had built (with them at the up there with god being worshiped as god).

So theres that, if God has had his hand steering world affairs, well it's one sick sumbitch. What is that saying, "Satan is the god of this world" (I think thats in the Bible). That would be the obvious candidate if a 'god' has been MANIPULATING humans affairs as is the topic here.

Next up is the matter of our disgustingly flawed nature. So God, a man, made us in his 'image', but then made us into lying scheming jealous creatures, quick to rage even war, nearly mindless and truly psychopathic in large groups, and easily manipulated. All while so hard-headed in our thinking, our ways, especially regarding our tribes, that we literally get high (I can show you the study) off rejecting facts that dont jive with our worldview / group identity / etc. I'm fairly certain we're literally addicted to self-deception MANY of us, once we allow ourselves into these snares of delusion.

In the 21st Century we now have the knowledge to know all the ways we're manipulated, and since 2005 that sort of stuff has been a major theme in my works, and I swear its like crickets when I post those kinds of citations (the sorts of stuff that people should be able to look at and break free from the mind control theyve subscribed to). And even here at ABOVE TOP SECRET its like crickets / thread killer when I get going on that stuff. Its like if I want to bomb a thread mention the word "self-deception" and everyone that gets to that part just closes the page real quick. Never saw it I swear! God forbid I learn about how human beings self-deceive themselves, to overcome it.

And here we are barreling towards enslavement to our own technological spawnings / literal extinction possibly in only a couple decades, unless we all wake up to our nature and culturally evolve as a species for the first time pretty much ever by the above metrics, or we're doomed. Possibly worse than doomed, like way way way worse. And its our nature at the heart of it. The one a god supposedly gave us, that has half the people deliberately ignorant to everything that matters, and the other half that actually try to care about whats going on they're so high on self-delusion their brains distort stuff as their looking at it. And they're happy for it. And if you support their guy for the year he needed it the most then they'll love you. But after that if you speak up against any of his bad decisions etc, you're out of here under the stairs with the rest of the other team you go.

All of which arises from the same neural urges underpinnings that has 'everyone' all worshiping / fighting over their religions. The logic I suppose being to ensure we worship it, but then it wasnt around for how many thousands of years (woooo) until it decided it would wait and pop in for the Jews. A little clan in the grand scale of things. And it would be a racist for the Jews, as if they were the first people ever. Meanwhile the rest of the wide world being manipulated controlled etc absolutely absent the god that put those traits in us so we'd worship it. Which by the way the principles of that alone would be a deal breaker. Jesus supposedly did say 'yada yada you must worship me' "BECAUSE I AM A JEALOUS GOD". So at least that lines with the concept here. Problem is I disdain worshiping -anything- especially a 'man' in particular one that is jealously obsessed with me worshiping it (to the tune of I'll burn for ETERNITY if I dont). Then the bitch of the idea that EVERYONE EVER that didnt worship it they all burn in hell, yeah the ones he / it neglected to keep[ their attention after going to all that trouble to hardwire them into sheep.

I actually meant to not 'attack'; the specifics of any particular religion, but thoise last bits just had to go in to tie it all together.

My initial comments werent about your religion, just this idea that god is rigging elections (which leads to people having truly religions convictions for politicians [which they already are bad enough like that without it]).

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nice.

Now do how Trump is a stand up Christian man and the earpiece of God to do the good work.

The things I've read today/last night would have been funny if I thought people were joking.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Give us a FULL list of your belief of why he is not a Christian.

originally posted by: maya27
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Give us a FULL list of your belief of why he is not a Christian.

I don't get to decide who is a Christian, it's not a hard club to get into. Accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, try at the walk and you're in. If I was a believer, should I cast judgment for someone's sins, I am therefor now at their level for I have just sinned and (most) sins are equal.

What a logical person who has read the book can do however is be skeptical of teachers, and those who claim to have power passed down from God.

In fact, it's not only the duty of Christians to question a leader's intentions for saying they are doing the lord's work, it's all our duty to do that.

I normally dont bother people about their religions. That above all been being put into order in my brain back there and needed to get out I guess.

I dont normally bother with religions as its stuff in the clouds, so not a threat, until people start mixing it with politics and real world people and anything that smells like Hyper-Tribalism is the absolute worst type of threat to a society / the world / the species (at this point).

The Nazi's COMBINED religious identity with national identity with racial identity into ONE MINDCONTROLSET and they had to be leveled to finally knock the taste out their mouth. Millions had to die. In this century we already have the "liberals" running full bore Hyper-Tribalism and looked what they turned into over a mere handful of years. Trump makes this his little platform like Bush did and that'll make him a bonafide Hyper-Tribalist in my book, where the whole game is the most epic grade manipulation. Meaning the sorts that perpetrate it are in that Ultimate Enemies of Mankind echelon of assholes.

It seems prideful to say what God's intentions are for a sinful human.

a reply to: carewemust

Shouldn't this be in the mysterious subjects forum?

When you start talking about higher powers......

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I normally dont bother people about their religions. That above all been being put into order in my brain back there and needed to get out I guess.

I dont normally bother with religions as its stuff in the clouds, so not a threat, until people start mixing it with politics and real world people and anything that smells like Hyper-Tribalism is the absolute worst type of threat to a society / the world / the species (at this point).

Well I think that you and I actually value the constitution for what it is.

You have the freedom of religion so long it does not infringe on me.

And if history has shown us anything, the "God has spoken to me, or I am acting on behalf of God" typically comes right before something that most would disagree with.

In this case, it wouldn't be dumb to guess Venezuela.

I take a different approach than other non believers in that I actually appreciate and admire aspects about religion.

Many of the God loving republicans who fight for lower taxes tithe. That money that they give in many cases goes to do great things for the community and abroad.

But when they begin to use religion as a rally call to do something against the best interests of the nation, then yes it is okay to call it out, and should be our duty.

Whenever someone starts mixing politics and god it should be a huge red flag that they are crazy

Whenever someone starts mixing politics and god it should be a huge red flag that they are crazy

originally posted by: toms54
Romans 13:1

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Wow, your God sure is fickle! He ordained Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Bush, Obama, Teressa May, Margaret Thatcher, The Ayatollah...all the Powers That Be! What kind of sick game is your God playing?

Is anyone really surprised theyve turned to zealotry?


Im not. This was coming. As was the fervent support his cultists would give this. Im not shocked that the OP doesnt care about zealotry when THEY think THEY are right. Its amazing how people are ok with religious extremism, specifically to politics when it fits their own view.

Obviously, God and Jesus have differing inclinations. Therefore, 'Thank God' is no longer a part of my vocabulary.

I now await the, 'But you don't understand' meme.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nice.

Now do how Trump is a stand up Christian man and the earpiece of God to do the good work.

God woke up one day, rolled out of bed, and said to himself "oh goody its about time to groom a new candidate for the election I'm going to rig some 30-40 years from now. And there he was, The Donald Trump, who forever had been out there doing the Lords good work by surrounding himself with Jews because they're the banksters, and hustling land deals which eventually landed him a portfolio of the Lords cherished casino type properties. Damn he's good, the Lord said, as The Donald bought his beauty pageant circuit. There's a man who knows how to appreciate the finer points of my creation, and he's even checking in on the teenager girls while they're changing to make sure all is well in my Creation, the Lord said to himself. So the Lord and The Donald set out to rig Trump into the 2000 POTUS seat, but that blasted Two party System had out maneuvered them by colluding to block all third party candidates from being able to have any chance whatsoever of competing with them. The Donald was dismayed at the Lords lack of foresight, but that time was only for him to get his dick kind of wet and see how crooked every thing is. Dont worry, you'll be able to grab POTUS mantles pussy in 2016 I promise, the Lord said to The Donald. The Lord's new strategy was to have Trump The Pornstar Whisperer enrich his household name status beyond what their primo steaks business had, by showboating in his new TV show, and trolling that Muslim heathen Obama on the side. The next election was just around the corner now, and the final piece of his grooming for the world of US politics was a gig on WWE. And now it was up to Trump to prove his worth to the Lord, but to do so he'd have to defeat the God of Wrastling, Vince Mcmahon...

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Ive grown used to you be as sensible as anyone could ever hope to. Only in here to find you buying into this pretext that is the ultimate in blind worship loyalty.

Are you trying to say that by believing Trump's rise to power is divine, I am blindly worshiping him? Please go back and read my first post; I specifically stated the opposite. Donald Trump is a man, not a god, and does not deserve worship. As President, he deserves the respect of the office, but that is all. Respect for the office and consideration of his actions in light of my personal political beliefs is all I have afforded him.

Every ruler since the dawn of time has dreamed of if not brazenly harnessed the commoners coming to believe GOD put them there, from the Pharohs to Divine Right to Dubya.

And the second Donald Trump tries to paint himself as some sort of divine messenger, I will denounce it; that would be an indication he is not. Again, you misunderstand the tenets.

Sarah Sanders can say she believes his rise to power is divine; there is no harm in that, since she is not Donald Trump. In this case, she stated her belief to a Christian news station, which was completely appropriate. I would be somewhat concerned if she had said it from the podium in a briefing... something about casting pearls before swine... but she did not do that.

This is all the basis of if you're against Trump you're against God.

Interesting assumption, since you should not have too much trouble finding posts by me that criticized Trump. I question the withdrawal of troops from Syria (too soon?) and I was not happy about the CR deal through Feb. 15th that he just accepted. If I thought Trump was infallible, I would not have opposed them.

Is that Old Testament (Judaism) or New Testament (Christdom) you're going by there?

That is an irrelevant question. There is but one true God. In the Old testament, He was the God of Adam, of Noah, and of Father Abraham onward. In the New Testament, He was the God of Jesus and the Creator of the Church. In Islam, He is the God of Hagar and Isaiah, who blessed Isaiah's descendants.

One God. One. No more.

As for the rest of your statement on the state of the world (omitted here for brevity), I cannot disagree that the world under man has been a mess. It has to be. Man has, again, free will. It is every man's choice whom they will serve in their time here... most in my experience never even question who that is. Therefore it is as inappropriate to blame God for the state of the world under man as it is to blame Trump for an earthquake. Satan (the "Enemy") is indeed in charge of this world, as he stole it from Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but Jesus established a way for God to evict him (that's a little deep to go into details of for someone not well-versed in the religion).

I am still surprised at your reaction over this. I am the same person who has been posting here since 2007, nigh on 12 years. My base positions on issues have never changed, although I have changed my views on specific instances based on new information proved to my satisfaction. I was a Christian the day I joined; I am a Christian today; I will be a Christian when the Internet crumbles into dust. So why would your respect for me change over something that has not changed? Are you unable to respect those of a particular religion?

Or are you, as I suspect, surprised by this one position and trying to fit me into a box that you thought I fit into? You wouldn't be the first to do that, nor would I harbor resentment if that were the case. It would be more like disappointment. We, those who are considered the "right," should have learned from the mistakes made by the "left" over the past few years... assumptions about those one knows little about are usually wrong, and people tend to take great offense when their base beliefs are scoffed at.

I hope we are better than that.

TheRedneck

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Now do how Trump is a stand up Christian man and the earpiece of God to do the good work.

Did Sarah Sanders say that? I wasn't aware she did. I know I have seen no one here make such a statement, and I certainly have not.

There is a difference between being "godly" and being "used by God." Many otherwise evil men have been used by God throughout history, and none of them deserve worship.

TheRedneck

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Is that comedy or poetry? Both.

But seriously, you tackled it well and with humor.

It worries me that so many people are taking this hook line and sinker, but does not surprise me.

Taking this approach is cheap, lazy, dishonest, and it loses potential votes. Because I would rather throw a vote away on a third party than support zealotry. The seconds someone acts divine, they are no longer a viable lesser of two evils, they are just evil. 2020 is a no vote from me no matter what, partly because Sara Sanders took this approach, and partly because people are not only buying it, but bathing in it.

a reply to: TheRedneck

"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that He wanted Donald Trump to become president," Sanders told the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN).

-From OP

She speaks for the admin, so this came from the admin in my eyes, and I don't think that's an unfair leap.

We all have things that rub us the wrong way, and this one just happens to be the one for me. I'm not bashing religion, in fact, I've said some positive things about it in this thread and have been honest in what I believe.

We've heard this sort of prefacing before, and it almost always turns out bad.

now, to address your comment.

Did Sarah Sanders say that? I wasn't aware she did. I know I have seen no one here make such a statement, and I certainly have not.

Your comment is fair, and while she did not imply what I leaped to, others in this thread have.

I don't typically leap, but I know what the implications were here, and in the off chance I am wrong, I'm okay to be wrong in at least speaking out to try and nip this in the bud before it continues. I typically use hyperbole for humor, and in this thread I'll admit I stopped short at best, and at worst used hyperbole. We all have issues that we let the hair down for, Dogma is mine.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: toms54
Romans 13:1

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Wow, your God sure is fickle! He ordained Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Bush, Obama, Teressa May, Margaret Thatcher, The Ayatollah...all the Powers That Be! What kind of sick game is your God playing?

You believe that God ordained Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Bush, Obama, Teressa May, Margaret Thatcher, The Ayatollah...all the Powers That Be but not Trump?

Or is this just another case of someone who doesn't even believe in God trying to lecture me about what a Christian should believe?

How can you write all those posts about killing babies and turn around to tell me what I should think? It's clear to me you are just being an obnoxious troll.