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The Democrat 2020 Party Platform. . . . Communism

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posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX

Totally agree. Any legislation that will help the majority of Americans is quickly labeled as communism. All forms of government are not perfect and capitalism is by far not perfect! Every system has it's "good" and government officials need to stop ignoring that fact and start incorporating parts of other government systems that prove to be working for their citizens. Capitalism has it's good points, but it also is heavily influenced by the corporate elite and the rich. The saying "money talks" is what makes our elected officials listen to a wealthy minority instead of the majority of struggling and hard working Americans.

What's sad is the same people who are lucky to have a well-paying job with good healthcare benefits and possibly a pension, are the first to attack legislation that will help others that are less fortunate. I was lucky to have had a well-paying job with good healthcare benefits, and a pension, but I'm also not ignorant to the fact that many of my fellow citizens are not as fortunate due to no fault of their own.

Most Christians will preach living a life that Jesus Christ would want us to lead. So I have to ask everyone, is it Christian like to ignore the less fortunate? I don't know about everyone else, but I believe a civilized society "promotes peace" and provides "all it's citizens" equal access to healthcare and education.

It's a basic human right to be educated so a person can be a productive citizen in our society and be able to preserve their God given life by having access to healthcare. After all, education provides our society with a skilled and educated work force and makes our economy strong. Anyone with half a soul, couldn't have the heart to walk by parents on the street crying because they couldn't afford the necessary healthcare needed to save the life of their dying child!

It's a sad state of affairs when American's are attacking any kind of legislation that will directly help their daily struggles. All of this is happening while trillions of taxpayer's dollars are being spent on the Military Industrial Complex. Yet this is completely ignored and justified. Yet basic needs for citizens takes a back seat, and any legislation that will address these issues or taxes levied to help provide it is considered communism??


The U.S. outpaces all other nations in military expenditures. World military spending totaled more than $1.6 trillion in 2015. The U.S. accounted for 37 percent of the total. U.S. military expenditures are roughly the size of the next seven largest military budgets around the world, combined.


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I think many Americans would rather pay a small tax toward healthcare access than paying 600+ a month for a healthcare premium. We all know hospital and pharmaceutical costs are inflated yet the government refuses to regulate it. We all know what happened when regulations were removed from the banking industry.

The U.S. is behind many industrialized countries when it comes to providing basic services needed in our society and to preserve our basic right to receive medical attention to preserve our lives. Identifying what system works best and what components are needed or adjusted to provide quality healthcare is the key.




posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 06:52 AM
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Here's the issue, the dems are going too far left, but the republicans in the same light absolutely refuse to admit to any issues with the economy refusing to keep up with inflation, instead choosing to just call people babies, suck it up, and work their lives away for basically no pay. I have a family, I'd love to see them, instead I'm working 65 to 70 hours a week doing a job that's vital to society and the health and well being of our elderly, aka know as everyone if they live long enough, but the right gives no #s about any of that.

So in frustration people turn to the left who while they've completely lost it, at least mention an understanding of the economic crises of the majority of the population and aren't willing to throw everyone else under the bus for the hope of winning the success train lotto in which luck, the right connections, and hard work all align in a rare event about as likely as the mega millions to find success.

I mean #, I can play the lotto and with enough luck win the mega millions and be set for life. That does not make the economy ok, nor inflation.

I'd love to see the right give a damn about the plight of the common man, and stop pretending we're all lazy sacks of # that deserve to eat dirt and be ignored.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 06:58 AM
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"12 years until the world ends, don't ask questions, just accept our dominion over you"

Not exactly hyperbole when they admit it themselves.

a reply to: XAnarchistX



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope

So you can call the right racist sexist and other ist but don't call the rising far left communist? If these progressives are mild compared to Europe I'm glad I live in the US.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

It’s newspeak, man. Communism is the best. Capitalism is the worst. Truth is offensive. Lies are truth. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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Well it started at least from Wilson and FDR. That’s why Obama revered FDR, and the Democrat Party hailed Obama as bringing in the new New Deal. Obama was a major kickstart of a more radical socialist movement within the party, and we see what is happening now..... the communists are out of the closet.
I read a number of years ago that Rothschild himself commissioned Marx to write the Communist Manifesto, and that communism was really a way to defraud the people of their money.
I say this: communism is evil and is a cancer on society and the world. Socialism is just the preliminary step. Communism has been the goal of the Left since the 60’s when people line Ayers and Dohrn were engaged in school riots ( yes they did Kent State), and all the Viet Nam protests (because the goal was for us to lose Viet Nam to communism not to end the war).
It’s nothing short of diabolical. Look how many people were murdered by communist dictators.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: scolai
a reply to: JDmOKI

It’s newspeak, man. Communism is the best. Capitalism is the worst. Truth is offensive. Lies are truth. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.


The media is so good at selling their brand they call It democratic socialism or progressive.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: Rob808
"12 years until the world ends, don't ask questions, just accept our dominion over you"

Not exactly hyperbole when they admit it themselves.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Cortez is parroting the lies of Agenda 21, which Rosa Koire describes as “communitarianism”.... the new communism. Even Bush was part of the Agenda 21 takeover, so its really the two- party system becoming one with Agenda 21. The reason all these people and the closet commies in the entertainment business and media hates Trump so much is because he is trying to reverse the damage done by the slithery commie snakes. Just imagine them as the snakes in the pit in Raiders of the Lost Ark....



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

So you just want the right to go
Left? That’s what I’m hearing you say. The Left is fully embodying communism because that’s what it always was. In fact I’ve been saying it since I first came to ATS, and some people here ridiculed me as being obsessed with something that was already dead, or they just said I don’t know anything about communism or socialism. I wish I could say that I feel vindicated, but it’s now worse than wver excerpt more people are awake. And guess who the media hates ... why it’s the awake people.
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posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 08:43 AM
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I hate to be the one to bring facts into a Mud Pit thread. But look closely at this chart and I will explain a few things.





First and foremost, Republicans are left of center. The current Democratic Party barely has their fingers in Neoliberalism. Most are either farther left Social Reformists or the ever popular Socialist Democrat. The difference being level of Authoritarianism versus leftists (antiestablishment/traditional norms).

So what is the difference between despotic socialism (communism) and elective socialism (socialism)? Authoritarianism or how much ruling power is concentrated and exerted. A power level akin to monarchy versus bigots.

Now the further you go from center the more rigid the thought process and belief system whether left or right. But as it is, Democrats are far closer to legitimate Leninnist Communism than Republicans are to Nazism or Fascism. Drop the propaganda and spin any way you want, but that is a fact.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: DBCowboy

none of that is


You keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure lots of people in China, the USSR, Vietnam, North Korea, Cambodia, and now here are going to keep telling themselves that even when it's so obvious they change the name of the country to reflect it.

You'll line up to march people to the pits who are telling you the truth because they obviously deserve their summary execution for standing in the way of glorious progress, and when it's your turn to go, you'll think you deserved it too.

We recognize your type and so did Stalin.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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The hyperbole in this thread is outstanding. Nobody wants 'communism' - but people want their tax money to work for them rather than to benefit a select set of ultra wealthy.

The fact is that we are already socialist in some regards. Police, snow plowing, the fire department, the mail service are all social services paid for by taxes - social service == socialist.

I am curious what the thoughts on this are? Imagine getting rid of these social services - How about a world where you have to pay a yearly subscription fee to a private police force, or have a toll at the end of your driveway to use corporate owned roads? How about a credit check with easy monthly payments to the privately owned Comcast fire department?

Eliminating waste and providing BETTER social services through our taxes already being paid is what people want, health care, proper infrastructure repair. Taxation on corporate profit will not stifle growth, the tax cuts did nothing but allow the mega-corporations to buy back stock, artificially inflating their prices with minimal to no trickle down effect (this will be the cause of the next stock crash).

Corporate tax rates in the 1950s were well over 50%, yet people were able to survive and survive nicely on a single-worker income, they had pensions and benefits and people could retire comfortably.

Stop buying into the fluff.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

How does it help?

I say again and again. Simply taking from some to give to others is at best a temporary solution. It fixes things for that short period of time.

If Rob has $20 and John has $0 and both need $10 for the entrance fee, then redistributionist policy says someone takes $10 from Rob to give to John, and everyone is happy. Such policy fails to take into account what happens when Rob gets tired of always having his stuff taken and just comes with $10 and John still has nothing because he always counts on having someone give him $10.

When that happens, you have a problem. Your socialism has run out of other people's money. There is no answer.

A real solution is find out why John never comes with his own money, and attempt to address that. The problem with that approach is that it's hard and it requires a personalized answer for every person without his own $10. There are lots of reasons why someone might never have $10, and not all of those reasons are simple or easy to address in a person, and some of them require hard work on both the part of the person without and the part of the people trying to help.

Not every wants to be helped and not everyone will help themselves either. And, even harder to understand, is that not everyone *can* be helped.

It's figuring all this out that's the real social challenge, but it's far, far easier to simply take from people like Rob whom you perceive to have more than their "fair" share to ignore the real magnitude of society's problems and make yourself feel good that you did something about it all.

After all, that tomorrow where Rob no longer has the money to take is tomorrow and it won't get here ... Right?



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

No I want the right to recognize a #ing problem when there is one and not stick their fingers in their collective ears and call the majority of the hard working population lazy and pretend we and our problems don't exist.

I expect recognition and solutions, not being ignored and belittled.

Right now the left gives us lip service but does nothing and the right belittles us and does nothing.

Both sides are #ing assholes but at least the left pretends to give a # about the common man and that's why things will always shift back to the left and it will win in the end. Because all the right has to offer most people is 'too bad, so sad, suck it up buttercup, you should take it up the ass by the rich who are your betters and like it'



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Speedtek

The conditions in the world were also far, far different.

Most of the world was coming out of WWII, and the US was the only developed nation to do business in, so there was nowhere else to go like there is today.

Not only that, but there were a lot of things about the tax structure that were far different. Not many effectively paid that tax rate for various reasons.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Speedtek

The conditions in the world were also far, far different.

Most of the world was coming out of WWII, and the US was the only developed nation to do business in, so there was nowhere else to go like there is today.

Not only that, but there were a lot of things about the tax structure that were far different. Not many effectively paid that tax rate for various reasons.


The tax rate remained that high until the 1980's - that was well past coming out of WWII



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Because I love fake sympathy too.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: Speedtek

Again ... once things started to open up for global trade, and tax rates on business started to become punitive along with regulatory policy, businesses started relocating their manufacturing and other jobs overseas.

You don't think it happens?

When you make it more cost effective to do certain work in other places, that's where business goes, and that's what has happened in a lot of industries. Under Obama, it started happening in the biotech industries. My husband was sitting there in a position to see it happened. Planned expansions where he was working were slow-walked in favor of projects in other, more industry countries.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Speedtek

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Speedtek

The conditions in the world were also far, far different.

Most of the world was coming out of WWII, and the US was the only developed nation to do business in, so there was nowhere else to go like there is today.

Not only that, but there were a lot of things about the tax structure that were far different. Not many effectively paid that tax rate for various reasons.


The tax rate remained that high until the 1980's - that was well past coming out of WWII


You have to differentiate between the Statutory tax rate and the Effective tax rate.

The reality was that Americans paid a lot less back then.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:39 AM
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For communism to overwhelm the American system, the stock market will have to be disbanded as well as many other
American solid financial institutions.

Who in their right mind would think that is even a remote possibility? A bunch of ignorant hyperbolic rightwing clowns, that's who.

America is the greatest country in the world because of capitalism and the free market spirit of entrepreneurship and nothing will change that fact and that's the way it will remain despite of the flavor politics in DC. Deal with it!


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