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An End To The Moon Conspiracy!

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posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 01:11 PM
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this thread is on its 60th page! Wow!
Thats a lot of opinion!

My two cents is that a conspiracy of that magnitude would not stand the test of time, I mean forty years and nobody involved in the 'production' has tried in anyway to expose it as false? Thats what I find hard to believe.
Theres far more important things happening in the world today worth worrying about, global warming, the war in iraq,the truth behind 9/11 etc. etc.

[edit on 5-9-2006 by pmexplorer]




posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by 11Bravo

3-Nobody else in the world has been able to make it there in 40plus years.




40+ years?



Project Apollo was a series of human spaceflight missions undertaken by the United States of America (NASA) using the Apollo spacecraft and Saturn launch vehicle, conducted during the years 1961–1975. Developed by North American Aviation, it was devoted to the goal of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to Earth within the decade of the 1960s. This goal was achieved with the Apollo 11 mission in July 1969.

The program continued into the early 1970s to carry out the initial hands-on scientific exploration of the Moon, with a total of six successful landings. As of 2006, there has not been any further human spaceflight beyond low earth orbit. The later Skylab program and the joint American-Soviet Apollo-Soyuz Test Project used equipment originally produced for Apollo, and are often considered to be part of the overall program.


from wikipedia


Just wanted to correct your "point."

[edit on 5/9/06 by Mouth]



posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 03:10 PM
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Long time ago, I was just a 12 year old boy. I was talking to my cousin's grandmather (I grew up in Yugoslavia) and I mentioned something about the astronauts landing on the moon. "Who knows if they really ever landed" said she. I was surprised with that and thought how she was old and did not understand. And this was my firm opinion for the next couple of decades. Never had a doubt about it.

Now I know. Grandma was right, and I think that in the 60' and 70' there were a lot of people on both sides (Socialist and Western) who knew the truth, but were too smart to say anything. As the time went by, less people knew as they were "educated" to think differently.

Too me, it is so simple - the whole thing was, by today's standards, poorly covered fake story. To be able to see this though, one has to have his views of the world we live in completely changed. Yes, official USSR knew and they did not say a word. Why? They have always worked together with US government. This is hard to understand if you were "educated" by official educational system.

Once you step out of the formal "trueth" - it is easy to see, too easy, the real story. This world is a twisted one, full of lies, and it is not easy to see the purpose.

Nobody has ever been on the Moon. I can say this with total calmness, not because I think I am so clever, but because this is a SIMPLE truth. Billions of dollars have been spent to teach the world to not see this, as well as thousands of other simple truths.
And I know, no matter what I right here, or anybody else, it will take time until people are able to understand all this.



posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by swimmer
Long time ago, I was just a 12 year old boy. I was talking to my cousin's grandmather (I grew up in Yugoslavia) and I mentioned something about the astronauts landing on the moon. "Who knows if they really ever landed" said she. I was surprised with that and thought how she was old and did not understand. And this was my firm opinion for the next couple of decades. Never had a doubt about it.

Now I know. Grandma was right, and I think that in the 60' and 70' there were a lot of people on both sides (Socialist and Western) who knew the truth, but were too smart to say anything. As the time went by, less people knew as they were "educated" to think differently.

Too me, it is so simple - the whole thing was, by today's standards, poorly covered fake story. To be able to see this though, one has to have his views of the world we live in completely changed. Yes, official USSR knew and they did not say a word. Why? They have always worked together with US government. This is hard to understand if you were "educated" by official educational system.

Once you step out of the formal "trueth" - it is easy to see, too easy, the real story. This world is a twisted one, full of lies, and it is not easy to see the purpose.

Nobody has ever been on the Moon. I can say this with total calmness, not because I think I am so clever, but because this is a SIMPLE truth. Billions of dollars have been spent to teach the world to not see this, as well as thousands of other simple truths.
And I know, no matter what I right here, or anybody else, it will take time until people are able to understand all this.


Very interesting post swimmer but the problem is that ats is a forum and such statements need to be backed up by proof or at least reasoning behind what has led you to these views apart from solely 'i think' or 'i believe' answers , otherwise your statements will not be taken seriously.


jra

posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by cometkid89
The only thing that gets me now about the moon conspiracy now, is the lighting inconsistencies and other anomolies.


Ah yes, the "lighting inconsistencies". This is brought up a lot. I'm guessing you mean things like shadows going in different angles astronauts illuminated in shadows and things like that? If so, you should read through that clavius site more. They explain those things quite simply.


Originally posted by 11Bravo
1-They cant reproduce the rockets, the plans were lost and the only guy who knew how to make them is dead. INconceivable.


This is not true. The plans are at the National Archives on microfilm. But you still can't build them nor would you want to. The Saturn is outdated, the materials and manufacturing of parts has changed. They are using the Saturn as a reference for the new Ares rocket, but that's about it.


2-They lost all of their high def footage. Unbelievable, considering that it could be used to prove or disprove.


I doubt a clearer image would change anyones mind. It's not like it's HDTV quality or anything. You can see photo examples of the difference here: www.honeysucklecreek.net... And as far as I understand, the quality improvement would only be on Apollo 11. The other missions used a different camera, one that was in colour.


3-Nobody else in the world has been able to make it there in 40plus years.


So? Nobody else in the world has tried. Hardly evidence of anything. The sub called the Trieste made the deepest dive back in the 60's in the Mariana Trench, no one has gone that deep again. The YF-12/A-12/SR-71 was the fastest manned aircraft back in the 60's, but no ones made one as fast or faster since. The Concord, the worlds first and currently only supersonic passenger aircraft, no one has made another. Just because they haven't been done again, doesn't mean they didn't do it before.


So all this talk about antenas and mirrors and what not is fine and dandy, but my 3 points speak volumes to me.


What about the 480 kg (about 800lbs) of soil, rocks and 2 meter deep core samples taken from the moon? You can't fake that stuff. No unmanned probes could collect that much either. The Russians sent unmanned probes and they only got 0.326 kg. And that's just dust/soil only I believe. You can't fake lunar samples, not even with meteorites collected on Earth, because they've been weathered and damaged by the Earth's atmosphere. I think that one point speaks volumes.


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posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 10:08 AM
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There was enough proof on this thread, and all over internet. I am not going to repeat everything, since it will take too much space. Your answer is very cynical, you are trying to "teach" me how to discuss.
Here is one of the documentaries that explains everything:

Part 1: video.google.com...

Part 2: video.google.com...

I have said what I have to say. Some percentage of people will understand.

"pmexplorer" and "jra" - what makes you write these texts that mean nothing, but serve as a fast "politically correct" answer to any doubt in the head of poor readers? Are you watchdogs here?
If you do not want people like me to write what they think, what is the point of this forum at all? To spread US government propaganda or to seek the truth?


jra

posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by swimmer
"pmexplorer" and "jra" - what makes you write these texts that mean nothing, but serve as a fast "politically correct" answer to any doubt in the head of poor readers? Are you watchdogs here?


They may mean nothing to you, but I tend to stick to the scientific facts. If you just want to just simply and ignorantly ignore them, that's your prerogative.


If you do not want people like me to write what they think, what is the point of this forum at all? To spread US government propaganda or to seek the truth?


So I can't write what I think, because you don't like it? Indeed, what would be the point of this forum if we couldn't have a discussion with at least two opposing sides.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 08:29 AM
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has ALWAYS just been a one way discussion.

ALL of the classic disinformation techniques are used to attack people whos opinions is the truth... That the Moon Landing did NOT happen as advertised.

In the final analysis, when you look at the 'truth' offered by the NASA stalwarts... it is totally not supported by real, verifiable facts... Just the same old mantra that gets repeated over and over and over...

The really sad part is there is no real discussion and the mods in support of the 'official' position are quite threatening.

If you really want to understand the production of the fake landings... Look at the Apollo photo that show the 'alien craft'... It's a lighting rig, just like the ones used on many stage productions.

I know you NASA supporters are sincere... That's the really ironic part!



jra

posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by golemina
has ALWAYS just been a one way discussion.


Then feel free to add something to the discussion.


ALL of the classic disinformation techniques are used to attack people whos opinions is the truth... That the Moon Landing did NOT happen as advertised.


There's your problem. I don't attack people that want to have an honest debate on the moon landings. It's people like you who jump in, and say that people like me use disinfo techniques. You automaticly disbelieve anything I'd have to say.


In the final analysis, when you look at the 'truth' offered by the NASA stalwarts... it is totally not supported by real, verifiable facts.


Give me an example of something that's "not supported by real, verifiable facts."


If you really want to understand the production of the fake landings... Look at the Apollo photo that show the 'alien craft'... It's a lighting rig, just like the ones used on many stage productions.


Can you show me or tell me the pic you're talking about?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 08:00 AM
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I just don't get a lot of you people...

Why would the government care to lie about the moon landing? I mean, does everyone realize that we have been there 6 times?

The fact remains, none of us are ever gonna be there, so, why do people still hold on to this possible conspiracy anyways?

You all do realize that all those scientists, politicians, astronauts, government agents, etc etc... let alone how much money it would cost to keep them silent about this so-called "conspiracy," they are all human too...

Oh yeah, as jra said, how do you discount all of the moon rock that they brought back?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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oh, and btw jra, you got a WATS from me this month



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 11:18 AM
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30 Years Later, Moon Rocks Retain Their Secrets
Apollo Moon Rocks: Dirty Little Secrets

The Moonrocks seem an awfully tiny thing to base such grand beliefs upon. The Apollo Hoax has certainly stood the test of time , despite vain efforts to put an end to it. It is the Moon program which has ended, that's the point. If you want to understand what is actually happening in space, and even what is happening here on Earth , appreciating the Impossibility of putting people on the Moon at the dawn of the Space Age, or even today, is inevitable. Some people need to be told, they dont get it, eventually they will be told, but whats the hurry?


jra

posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 07:22 PM
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Good links there Looter. They're a good example showing how the rocks are definately not from Earth. Most especially the fact that they are so dry. There is no method to extract all the water from a rock (not without destroying it at least). Plus other geological signs that show that the rocks were formed in a low gravity environment, exposed to more radiation, hit by micro meteorites etc.



posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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jra, nobody has ever been on the Moon. There has been enough evidence here for anybody with at least a little bit of education to understand that.

If you do not understand that, sorry. You are just not smart enough.

I think that you DO understand, but you are doing this since you are getting some change (little money) from somebody to sabotage this. In that case, good work!



posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 12:53 PM
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So what you're saying is that since you and others in this thread say that you can't get through the Van Allen Belt, but VAN ALLEN said you could, then he's stupid?


Sorry, I guess I'll just continue to be an uneducated idiot since the evidence points to us going there.


jra

posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by swimmer
jra, nobody has ever been on the Moon. There has been enough evidence here for anybody with at least a little bit of education to understand that.


hahahaha you're hilarious



If you do not understand that, sorry. You are just not smart enough.


You're right, I'm just a moron who knows nothing. You are indeed very smart. Smarter than the majority of the people on this Earth. Smarter than all the scientists and engineers who work in the aerospace industry, who make satellite and probes and rockets etc for a living.


I think that you DO understand, but you are doing this since you are getting some change (little money) from somebody to sabotage this. In that case, good work!


hahahaha yeah, the US Government pays me, a Canadian, to sabotage moon hoax threads on internet forums. Makes perfect sense...



posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by swimmer
jra, nobody has ever been on the Moon. There has been enough evidence here for anybody with at least a little bit of education to understand that.

If you do not understand that, sorry. You are just not smart enough.

I think that you DO understand, but you are doing this since you are getting some change (little money) from somebody to sabotage this. In that case, good work!


hey swimmer, who put the mirrors on the moon ? are you smart enough to comprehend the following ?

laser project, apollo 11



posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 10:10 PM
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You KNOW there are mirrors on the moon exactly how?

Frankly, religious zealots are more analytical... Not to mention logical.



posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 11:59 PM
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You're right Golemina. The laser just reflects off the moons surface. Oh wait, the moons surface isn't reflective enough to do that. Oops.



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 12:26 AM
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jra, makes perfect sense to me. Either you are paid some change, or you are one of those they call "useful idiots" (no offense) - people who help the wrong people becouse they do not know what they are talking about, but they have a lot of energy to spend...
for the lasers theory, we need more proof, links, documentaries...tone of proof (your school). And, if you provide that (not gonna happen), I will tell you that mirrors could have been left on the moon by an unmanned vehicle.



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