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An End To The Moon Conspiracy!

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posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by sean
why is there a crater from rocket blast leaving the moon, but no crater from the same rocket blast in the pictures while landing on the moon? -- Look at all the rocket power it takes to send someone into orbit but a pos LM in 69 landed and launched off the moon? Come on!


The rocket on the LM was throttlable. Meaning that they could adjust the amount of force it put out. So when landing you throttle it back to a lower amount of thrust. You can't land something with the rockets going full blast, just like you don't land aircraft going at full power. But when it takes off you give it all you got.

You do know that the Moon has a lot less gravity right? It's much easier to take off from the moon than it is from Earth. Plus they had to get everything on Earth into space, where as on the moon it was just the LM and two people. Huge weight differance there. Not to mention that the LM had two parts. The Decent module and the Accent module. So when they took off only the top part of the LM took off, the rest (the gold foiled part) stayed, so it was only 4,547 kg that has to leave the moon compaired to the 14,696 kg that landed on it.

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posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird



That reminds me of something else. Thousands saw the rockets go up, if it was all fake, where'd they go? And why didn't anyone see it when if it landed back on earth?


Where'd they go? They orbited around the earth for eight days. A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon shows footage of them in the space capsule with the earth through the window -- proving they were only maybe 300 feet or less above the earth.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Schmidt1989
I have never believed in the moon landings, not a tiny tiny bit until about a week or so ago i saw a program on television debunking the moon conspiracy but at the same time, reinforcing it as well. the stuff they showed reinforcing it was just too true for me to see so now i am a beleiver that we did goto the moon, and sorry i cant post anything from the show itself, i have no clue what the program it was called or even what channel it was on.


I heard the show wasn't that great, and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon is much more authoritative. Haven't you ever noticed how the established media covers stuff? They almost never get it right. It's always got a certain amount of PC junk and bad information. You want the truth you NEVER go to the established media -- unless you're able to take the good and spit out the bad.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:33 PM
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I did read about the "moon hoax" Just alittle, I didnt really get into it much, but i found the topic interesting, I will try to find the website, it had pics of proof that the moon landings were fake. I guess if you look at the offical anstronaut picture you can see a photographer and a set in the back threw the reflectoin in the helmet.

It went somewhat like that.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by UnMature
Another thing, what about when the Apollo rockets went up and the crew returned in the re-entry vehicle. There were also pictures of them sent from space. I mean c'mon, why fake it!?


They did go up. They did come down. They did NOT land on the moon. (they just orbited the earth until it was time to come down) While they were up there they played the moon footage and made commentaries. On their last "voyage" they even staged some emergencies to build drama, and had the American people praying and holding candlelight vigils. They abruptly cancelled all their other "moon voyages" when the Russians broke through a technology barrier and were able to discern and track in deep space (i.e.anything farther out than 400 miles is considered deep space).



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posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
The funny thing is, the same people who say the US never landed on the moon are also the same ones who say that the US has contact with the Greys and are trading humans for technology.

Make up your damned minds people! Is the US building flying antigravity disks or are we so far behind what we say we are that we had to fake a landing on the moon???!?!?!


There was no moon landing. And there are NO aliens. The earth is the only place in the universe with life.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Jehosephat
What is really sad is in the last 30 years we hardly have done anything for the further exploration and study of the moon. SOmethign that is practically on our door step and all we can do is point telescopes at it, and at the most take pictures of it with sattilites


Exactly. They say there's more computer technology in a cellphone today than was capable of going into any spaceship or hokey spacesuits in the '60s. We can't get past 300 or 400 miles max above earth, and even that is terribly risky (we've lost 14 lives so far doing that).

Those hokey moon suits you see -- what a joke. It was 250 degrees on the moon and you think guys can romp around playing golf and boucing around on moon buggies, digging moon rocks, lots and lots and lots of moon rocks, and taking many thousands of pics with a Hassenblad camera wearing pressurized gloves? And how do you cool down fro 250 degrees when youre in a VACUUM? Remember how nice and hot your thermos keeps your coffee all day? Well, there's no place for the heat of the sun to go, nothing to absorb it. It's a VACUUM on the moon.

Am I allowed to post excerpts of articles here?

[edit on 28-9-2005 by resistance]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by MickeyDee
If the moon landings are just one of many of the greatest conspiracies ever, it would have cost the government billions over the years to keep the cover up going.
Wouldnt it have been alot cheaper just to send a man to the moon?
The Japanese will be there soon anyway so im sure they'll let us know if they come accross the US landers!


It didn't cost billions -- I don't think the astroNOTS payoff was THAT much. There weren't that many of them, and they killed three of them (Grissom, et al). You oughta look at the excerpts from Slibel's movies that are put up on this site -- the one called "Astronauts Gone Wild" -- watch them twitch and squirm in their one and only press conference. Those guys NEVER went out talking about their historic feat. Neal Armstrong I'm told is about totally nuts from trying to hold up under the scrutiny. It's so obviously hokey fakey a HOAX.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
I believe we did go to space but that is risky enough but nowhere near the moon look at all the evidence of moon landing back then I'm sure you will find a few anomilies.

Here's all (or at least most) the photos from the apollo missions
www.apolloarchive.com...
There's no way you can fake all those...

Besides, if we did go into space (no one is disputing that as thousands saw the rockets take off), where did they go?
Did they just go in orbit for a while, dump the LMs into space, then come back?


There are so MANY photos that if the astroNOTS really took them they would be taking pictures constantly, and have time for nothing else -- like playing golf, digging rocks, zooming around in their moon buggy, and all the rest of it that we watched on TV. Isn't it great that they were able to take a movie camera with them to the moon and aim and focus it with only two men there busy doing all sorts of other things -- like shooting tons of pics in addition to what's described above? Supposedly they used Hassenblad cameras that require tricky steps to focus and shoot, all while wearing their high-tech space gloves (snicker).

[edit on 28-9-2005 by resistance]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by veritas 7
Why oh why, has no other country, or the US for that matter, ever put another person back on the moon?

It does not make sense, why it has never been repeated?


Because it can't be done. If it COULD be done, it WOULD be done. They can't even send a shuttle up without the tiles falling off. You think they can invent a machine powerful enough to go to the moon and back? Where they going to store the fuel? How are they going to keep the astroNOTS from COOKING in the 250 degrees with the sun baking down on them in a VACUUM? The moon sets might be okay for an old Buck Rogers movie, but to believe this is really the moon? NOT!

Von Braun who designed the Saturn said in a book he wrote that it would require a spaceship the size of the empire state building to hold the amount of fule required to go to the moon and back. Has anybody been to the Space Museum and looked at the modules? HOAX!

And no I don't believe in aliens, and yes I do believe in technology. In fact, I believe NASA and the Military has the technology to control the weather and they ARE controlling the weather.

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posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by A Random Person
We went to the moon.
You name most of the standard faked landing *proofs* I will gladly debunk them.
If we didn't go to the moon then how did we place a reflector for a laser there?
It fires the laser directly back where it was fired from.
It is used for various things, including detecting the minor axis shift during the december earthquake.
d,
EDIT: Oh yeah, the comps on the ships may have been equal to a calculator, but they were specialised for the math work, which they sent back to nasa where it was stored and checked.



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[edit on 9-6-2005 by A Random Person]



First off, we've been bouncing lasers off the moon ever since we first had lasers. Do you REALLY think we're able to aim a laser to hit the bullseye on a mirror 36 inches in diameter on the moon? There's no way the pics of this silly mirror are authentic but let's say there actually is some laser mirror on the moon. That does not in any way prove men walked on the moon.
Supposedly there have been soft landings, UNMANNED, by the Russians. In fact, the Russians always were way ahead of us in the technology to send up rockets and satellites -- which is why we had to fake the moon landings -- to save face in the Cold War. So to assume laser mirrors were deposited on the moon by the astroNOTS is assuming quite a bit I'd say. If they are in fact on the moon (and I don't believe much of anything NASA says, so that's a big if) they were put there by an unmanned satellite, not by humans walking on the moon.

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[edit on 28-9-2005 by resistance]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by BigPimpin
I think that we did land on the moon, but the Gov. didnt want us to see the real pics, maybe there were UFO's or something there. If we really did fake it, the soviets would have been the first to tell the world. Also, it makes sense, because if aliens did really try to warn us off the moon, then that is the reason why we havn't gone there for a while.


I thought it was the moon-hoaxer people who believed in aliens.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Memorialday1999
I have read quite a few interesting conspiracy theory's on this site so far but this one, well, it takes the cake. Are there really people that believe the moon landing was faked? That is one of the most absurd things I think I have head so far here. I am more inclined to start believing in aliens than in this theory.

Please keep in mind that I have noticed the same posters that propose that America is capable of mass conspiracies are the same posters that state that America is dumb as dirt. Thus if our gov't is so stupid, how is it that we have the brains to pull off large lies like this? I am finding a few statements around here to be contradicting and inconsistent. Has anyone provided any proof about this? And please do not link me to anymore conspiracy websites as I do not find that to be proof of anything. I am look for more hardcore evidence if such exists. Thank you.


Again, more alien sympathizers. As to the need to be extremely smart to pull of a hoax like this, the Illuminati (of which NASA is part) brags at how easy the sheeple are to fool. There's always bribes and if that doesn't work murder keeps people really nice and quiet.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by turbonium

Where have you seen a satellite photo that can give you that much detail? Sure, we've heard of them, but spy satellite images are not to be seen by us. Even so, we dont' have satellites that strong orbitting the moon, so you dont' get images showing that much detail.

That goes to my point - we have the technology to land on the moon six times without a hitch almost 40 years ago, but we can't even take a decent PHOTO of the landing sites 40 years later! It makes it sound like a bizarro world where technology devolves instead of advancing!


Quite a logical conclusion I'd say. I was there. We were still watching black and white TV at my house. Have you ever taken a look at the spacecraft at the Space Museum in Washington? There's no way.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by livenlearn
I've got a question. I've read that some of the conspiracy is due to the dust being kicked up by the vehicle on the moon. Then there was the fact that when so and so hit a golf ball on the moon it didn't go as far as it should have. If a golf ball tee'd up on the moon and hit should go a long ways, then why couldn't dust from the groud be kicked up a long ways?


The dust SHOULD have been blown completely away from the spacecraft. But the pictures show it was barely ruffled, able to take footprints. Even a leaf blower or a hair dryer would have blown away more dust than the landing spacecraft did.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by jra
Ah the Moon hoax believers are starting up again eh? Been a while.


The reason why we haven't gone back is simple. Money (or lack there of). I think a lot of people forget about that. It costs a lot of money to develop and build the equipment to get there. Money is something NASA seriously lacks incase some of you haven't been paying attention. Also, after the Apollo missions, NASA began to focus on missions that were in Earth orbit and they lost there abillity to go back to the Moon with the development with the shuttle. I don't see why this is so hard for some people to understand. Give NASA an unlimited budget or a really high budget and they could go do some amazing things i'm sure. But they just can't afford anything these days.



Wow -- that's a new one I hadn't heard before. Because of working on the shuttle NASA forgot how to get to the moon? Ha!



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by MickeyDee

Originally posted by golemina
To anyone that has actually seen the flick, what was your favorite flaw?

Mine, was the oops layering that left the 'object' in FRONT of the lens crosshairs.


There are no flaws in any of the footage or photographs from the Moon!

Come on this is NASA!!! The largest space exploration company on Earth, do you really think they would forget something so stupid on their footage from the Moon?

IF it was all staged and we really hadnt been to the Moon, im sure NASA would want the photographs and video footage to be 100% perfect so there would be no doubters, and im also sure the Soviets examined the footage very carefully to see if they truly had been beatenin the race to the Moon!

Mic



You should look at some of the film that landed on the cutting room floor in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon -- promoted on this site. You can see some of the "special effects" that didn't work. Ha!



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by backtoreality
Are you guys serious? No, really.

There are still people out there who claim that the moon landings were just a hoax? Look, if you want to challenge everything as a conspiracy, well be my guest--but a word of advice for you: do a better job of picking your targets. This is NASA. Not your middle school class treasurer.


Oh, NASA? NASA that has to order its parts on e-bay, and can't figure out how to glue tiles on their shuttle? NASA who sends school teachers and other non-flight people up on every flight -- if you're the right sex and race you get to be an astroNOT. And then you can go up in space and perform REALLY DUMB EXPERIMENTS to justify your being there (having been chosen over pilots with years of experience and training) -- experiments like keeping an eye on the spiders and how they spin their webs in space. Well, they did invent Tang, so it wasn't a total loss.

Don't you love those pics of the astroNOTS on NASA's website holding their plastic spaceship models? Cool, man.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jehosephat
Well, if we didn't have the technology to send a person to the moon, we also didn't have the technology to start WWIII or prolong the cold war. Or make Nuclear Reactors



When people with nothing but pencils, paper and slide rulers can figure out how the guns in a corsair can create a harmonic to rip off 16 square feet of wing (see John Glenn's memoirs) I think they can figure out how to land a man on a moon and bring them back safely


Then why HAVEN'T they in 40 years? (Hint: Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the moon is 250 degrees and it's a vacuum and it's impossible to stay cool there because there's no place to dissipate the heat? (a vacuum is a perfect insulator). Or maybe it has something to do with the great amount of fuel it would take to get there? Or maybe about 100 other reasons.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Identity_Unknown

Originally posted by Jehosephat
you still havn't answered my question, so I wil lrepeat it

What evidance do you need to prove the moon landing wasn't a hoax?


Some people are so glum that the only way they will ever believe is if they are strapped to a rocket and dropped off next to one of the landers!

There is no point trying to convince them as they are very ignorant and will never accept the truth.


First -- you'd never get me up in one of their contraptions. Remember Gus Grissom? Remember the Challenger and a few other of their space rides? Remember how the tiles fell off the ship? Ain't no way I'd go up there even a few miles, let alone 250,000 miles.

And I'd sure as heck not want to be hopping around the moon in one of those hokey spacesuits in a heat-insulting vacuum with the sun blazing down at 250 degrees. Especially if they wanted me to be digging rocks for 12 hours, bouncing around the moon on a moon buggy and taking thousands of pictures with a Hasselblad camera.



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