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originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: chr0naut
Your President declared people, who had not entered your country, as illegal. That is prejudicial and a lie.
What are you talking about? There is a legal way to enter the country. If people don't follow those ways, what would you call it?
What country are you from if I may ask?
There are many legal ways to enter the US, not just one.
Crossing the border, surrendering to border patrols and requesting asylum, IS a legal way to enter the country.
I am an Australian citizen. I live in New Zealand. I can commute when I feel like it. My passport is good in both countries.
So how do you feel about Australia's policy of people claiming Asylum who arrive in Australia illegally?
The hearings for people who enter illegally in the US should be quick and a determination to deport or grant asylum should follow. That doesn't happen currently.
Our system is broken as we release those people into our country while they wait for their court date. A significant proportion of those people never show up for that hearing.
Only 20 to 30% of people claiming asylum are granted that and the rate of people claiming asylum has gone up over 1,600% the last decade or so. People have figured out how to abuse our immigration policies.
The immigration courts here are backlogged by over 800,000 cases and it's been as high as a Million.
There is no time limit on immigration detention in Australia. This means that, under Australian law, a person can be detained indefinitely – theoretically for the course of their natural life – unless the Australian Government decides to grant them a visa, or they agree to leave the country. Even in cases where a person has been found to pose no risk to the community, or where continued detention is causing a person serious harm, the Australian Government is under no legal obligation to release them from detention.
originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: chr0naut
Guess you gave up when I used your own source to show how caring Australia is with Illegal Immigrants who try to enter huh?
originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: chr0naut
Yes they are detained in Australia. Per your link:
There is no time limit on immigration detention in Australia. This means that, under Australian law, a person can be detained indefinitely – theoretically for the course of their natural life – unless the Australian Government decides to grant them a visa, or they agree to leave the country. Even in cases where a person has been found to pose no risk to the community, or where continued detention is causing a person serious harm, the Australian Government is under no legal obligation to release them from detention.
Most detention sites aren't even in Australia as they outsource it to islands nearby.
That's not how it is in the US as I've just explained above and you see the Clusterf%×# that's happens as the abuse of the system happens.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: chr0naut
Yes they are detained in Australia. Per your link:
There is no time limit on immigration detention in Australia. This means that, under Australian law, a person can be detained indefinitely – theoretically for the course of their natural life – unless the Australian Government decides to grant them a visa, or they agree to leave the country. Even in cases where a person has been found to pose no risk to the community, or where continued detention is causing a person serious harm, the Australian Government is under no legal obligation to release them from detention.
Most detention sites aren't even in Australia as they outsource it to islands nearby.
That's not how it is in the US as I've just explained above and you see the Clusterf%×# that's happens as the abuse of the system happens.
Australia has 10 operational detention centers (a lot are closed). Only one of them, Naruru, is an island.
The US has 373 operational detention centers and two of them (the Monroe County Detention Center in Key West and the Hudson County Correctional Center) are on islands.
Your point?