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FBI wraps up investigation into Stephen Paddock's motive.

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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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So after almost a year and a half, they have put their findings into a final report to the public.


LAS VEGAS — A high-stakes gambler who rained down a hail of gunfire, killing 58 people from his high-rise casino suite in Las Vegas wanted infamy and mass destruction, the FBI told the Associated Press Tuesday, but took whatever motive might stretch beyond that to his grave.



"It wasn't about MGM, Mandalay Bay or a specific casino or venue," said Aaron Rouse, the special agent in charge of the FBI's Las Vegas office. "It was all about doing the maximum amount of damage and him obtaining some form of infamy."



Rouse says the reason for Paddock's rampage remains a mystery after months of study by agents and behavioral specialists. Almost 900 people were injured during the Oct. 1, 2017, attack on an outdoor country music concert.



His younger brother, Eric Paddock, called him the "king of microaggression" — narcissistic, detail-oriented and maybe bored enough with life to plan an attack that would make him famous.



Police characterized him as a loner with no religious or political affiliations who began stockpiling weapons about a year before the attack, spent more than $1.5 million in the two years before the shooting and distanced himself from his girlfriend and family.
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Stl today

I think people were looking for a little bit more closure from the findings, but here we are.


He left behind nothing that offered an explanation.

“He acted alone. He committed a heinous act. He died by his own hand,” Rouse said. “If he wanted to leave a message, he would have left a message. Bottom line is he didn’t want people to know.”


Honestly, we live in a crazy world with crazy people, sometimes we don't get all the answers. Maybe this is what happens, but I doubt this is where the story, or it's search for answers ends. We may never know the full story.
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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Sadly, this is more-or-less what I was expecting from the official report.
"I dunno
"

We've known all along the official investigation was a cover-up.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
Sadly, this is more-or-less what I was expecting from the official report.
"I dunno
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We've known all along the official investigation was a cover-up.


It's hard to argue with that sentiment considering what little we have from one of the most tragic events in our country.

That said, If they were really trying to cover it up, they could have made it more convincing, planted some evidence, ect.

I haven't been convinced of either side honestly, both seem just as outlandish.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:40 PM
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Ha what a bunch of total feces. Not you the FBI.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Yeah right, what a colostomy bag of baloney.

Nothing adds up and nobody can figure out the motive because he didn't work alone. The security guards said they thought he was drilling into the wall with a drill. The brother, immediately after the massacre, said his brother would never do that and would never be capable of something like that, then the next day AFTER speaking to authorities, said it's something Paddock was perfectly capable of pulling off. The "suicide" pistol was 2 feet away from his head. His foot was positioned below a sniper rifle's bipod. Someone laid it there after they shot him. He had blood on his knee like he'd struggled with someone before he was shot.

Yeah sorry, investigators, I don't buy the cheap crap you're selling.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

Just playing devils advocate here, again, I'm open minded to whoever brings up better reason as to what happened.

Should that be the case, what would the motive be for a cover up?



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

So why did he have dozens of AR-15s when just 2 or 3 would have done well? What about the murmurs about it being terror-related and his girlfriend may have been connected?

Arms deal gone wrong is a popular theory that would explain some of this. A Saudi connection is another popular topic discussed when looking at this tragedy. No mention of anything like this in the investigation. Just that "we will never know what his true motives were", and "he wanted infamy" (without providing ANY evidence that he wanted infamy).

This is the biggest BS "investigation explanation" I've ever heard. I hope the actual "full text", or whatever they release to the public has some DETAILS in it. This sounded more like an opinion piece than an investigation.

So many things still don't make sense here.
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Paid involvement to push gun control, maybe?. It was a hot and heavy issue when this happened.
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: FamCore

Well, at the end of the day, we're only working with theories, even on the part of the FBI, they couldn't determine a clear motive.

Though if it was infamy, him not leaving a note, or any other trail of a motive could make people wonder and look into it more, helping to continue it on.

That said, I typically try not to find the logic in crazy people, sometimes they just don't have any.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:20 PM
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It's bull crap.

They are covering something up.



"It wasn't about MGM, Mandalay Bay or a specific casino or venue," said Aaron Rouse, the special agent in charge of the FBI's Las Vegas office. "It was all about doing the maximum amount of damage and him obtaining some form of infamy."



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Paid involvement to push gun control, maybe?. It was a hot and heavy issue when this happened.


But nothing was fruitful from that, and it rarely is... So why would they set up the biggest mass shooting and set themselves up for possibly getting caught?

I get it, the story given to us still has a lot to be answered, and I too would like the answers, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

I imagine someone in the FBI would want to leak, god knows that happens in almost every facet of the government.

And why stop at gun control when you could tie in extras while being able to sell the story better?

They could have planted evidence that he was an ISIS sympathizer at a time when the general public is losing interest in the wars... Or a whole host of other reasons.

I'm just playing devils advocate though, it would be silly for me to say I know one way or the other, I just come to conclusions by trying to prove everything wrong until I can't.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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Or, like Occam, I'm going to go with the most simple explanation.. He was exactly what the report said he was: A horribly selfish person that killed 58 people including himself.

The woke minds can run with the theory that he was a lizard, shape shifting, Mandela effected , CIA mind controlled agent.

More often then not the real world is not a TV episode or movie plot.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: LSU2018

Just playing devils advocate here, again, I'm open minded to whoever brings up better reason as to what happened.

Should that be the case, what would the motive be for a cover up?


The rabbit hole on this one goes pretty deep. There should be threads on here about Bigalow Aerospace, helicopters and drones.
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ETA: I cannot find anything on it or on the webs.. Like it's been erased.
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018




Yeah sorry, investigators, I don't buy the cheap crap you're selling.


We agree on that. That was an arms deal , meant to be a sting operation that went south real fast.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: opethPA


Or, like Occam, I'm going to go with the most simple explanation.. He was exactly what the report said he was: A horribly selfish person that killed 58 people including himself.


We can all admit that there are people that do things that cannot be explained, so evil, so flagrant, we can't wrap our (healthy logical) minds around it.

Sometimes you get someone in a position where they are high functioning and really tries to outdo everyone else to stand out...

This guy just may have been a high functioning psychopath.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: LSU2018




Yeah sorry, investigators, I don't buy the cheap crap you're selling.


We agree on that. That was an arms deal , meant to be a sting operation that went south real fast.


Why would he sell someone AR-15's that are registered under his name?

Why not get 80% lower receivers with no SN's and finish them up and build with paid in cash parts?

That theory has just as many holes as any IMO.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:36 PM
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FBI only leeks to hurt Trump. If there isn’t a leak, that shows the news would be neutral to positive for Trump

This is the part I don’t understand. If you are a millionaire, and wanted to commit a mass shooting, Why would one not thrown their own concert at a location of their picking. You would have had people paying you to shoot at them.

Also

If mass killing was your plan, you had a plane, load it up with things that go boom, and fly into a crowd or a building, we all know and trust, that jet fuel can make a building collapse.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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FBI only leeks to hurt Trump. I


That's what I think too.

IF they can pin it on Trump,the right, or (insert whatever).

They jump at the chance.

Here ?

NOTHING.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Paid involvement to push gun control, maybe?. It was a hot and heavy issue when this happened.


But nothing was fruitful from that, and it rarely is... So why would they set up the biggest mass shooting and set themselves up for possibly getting caught?

I get it, the story given to us still has a lot to be answered, and I too would like the answers, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

I imagine someone in the FBI would want to leak, god knows that happens in almost every facet of the government.

And why stop at gun control when you could tie in extras while being able to sell the story better?

They could have planted evidence that he was an ISIS sympathizer at a time when the general public is losing interest in the wars... Or a whole host of other reasons.

I'm just playing devils advocate though, it would be silly for me to say I know one way or the other, I just come to conclusions by trying to prove everything wrong until I can't.


I don't really know, I just think there are too many holes for their final story to be true. There have been unanswered holes in this since it released.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: [post=24150152]
Arms deal gone wrong is a popular theory that would explain some of this. A Saudi connection is another popular topic discussed when looking at this tragedy. No mention of anything like this in the investigation. Just that "we will never know what his true motives were", and "he wanted infamy" (without providing ANY evidence that he wanted infamy).

I'm still sticking to my theory that Paddock was an arms dealer. "Professional gambler" was almost certainly a cover story to hide illegal income. Anybody might get lucky once, but casinos hire the best mathematical minds on Earth to make sure you can't win money consistently. And the people who do manage to find a successful system get blacklisted. If Stephen Paddock was seriously earning a living gambling, Mandalay Bay would have treated him like a pariah, not a whale.

Also, this explains why many of the guns were set up like they being displayed. Because he was expecting to sell them.



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