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Kamalla Harris "i will get rid of private health care".

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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: narrator

So everything should be free and America is too greedy?
That about cover it?
Who will be deciding how much those in the healthcare industry will make?

Is the healthcare industry the only one you want to reform?
What will be next?
Energy?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Yeah those guys make too much as well, they are too greedy as well?

Who is going to pay for all this free stuff when you have eliminated the wealthy?
Where will the tax money come from so this can all be free?


You seem to be getting very upset in this hypothetical conversation. Simmer.

Yes, America is too greedy. No, not everything should be free. I never said that. Everything should be AFFORDABLE for every single citizen. That I'll get behind 100%.

I'd wager that doctors, nurses, etc. would have some sort of say in how much they make, because it would involve months of negotiations between the government and medical staff if the US were to switch over. Ultimately, the government would probably decide what to pay, but I at least have enough faith in the government to realize that they aren't going to cause a nationwide healthcare worker strike over pay, negotiations would work.

Sports, I'd love to cut their salaries to the bone. A college football coach doesn't need to make multiple millions per year. A pro baseball player doesn't need a 4 year, 125 million dollar contract. That's ludicrous, no one needs that. Put all that excess towards education and healthcare, perhaps?
Same with actors and musicians.

We would pay for it. It isn't going to be "free". It'll be affordable, because it will come out of everyone's taxes. The tax money would come from our salaries. If you look at, say, Norwegian countries, they have everything that you, and most conservatives, are terrified of in this scenario, yet still have a higher level of happiness and more satisfaction with their standard of living.
But but but, how is that possible if they're taxed so much?! Because they aren't nearly as greedy as us, that's how. They live wonderfully happy lives, and are still taxed way more than us. They recognize that the extra they pay in taxes is actually going towards useful things, and they're happy with that outcome.

ETA: The wealthy don't pay for any of this as is, why would getting rid of the ultra-rich change anything?

Nothing hypothetical about communism.
Imo its those who haven't achieved that want to take from those who have.
Those evil greedy coaches are the worst.
Good luck with your communist fantasy. Ain't happening here.
Being jealous of what others have must be exhausting, i feel sorry for you.


-It's decidedly NOT communism. If you really think it is, maybe you're the one who needs the civics class.
-Some of the wealthiest people in the country are pushing the same ideas I am. "A single payer healthcare system is probably the best." - Warren Buffett.
I do just fine financially as well. In this instance, it's people that want to help other people that are pushing universal health care, rather than greedy bastards that act like children and say "it's mine, you can't have any!"
-I didn't say that coaches were greedy. I said they are way overpaid, and they don't need multiple millions every year. Although, some of them are probably greedy. I never said all of them are, you're putting words in my mouth.
-I have no communist fantasy. In fact, Communism sounds pretty terrible to me. It appears that my fantasy will happen at some point though, as over half the population is in favor of it. And it ain't communism. Civics 101.
-I want for nothing, and am not jealous of anyone. I just want everyone to be able to live an affordable life, like I'm able to. It's called being nice to your fellow man. Jesus was a big proponent of that. Nice strawman though.
It must be exhausting going out of your way to be a jerk all the time, and to ignore all rational arguments in favor of putting words in people's mouths.




posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Mostly out of ignorance.

Personally, I don't understand why the same false intentioned career politicans, keep getting reelected for decades. All the while running their districts into the ground.

We see these places with democratic representatives, who haven't improved a single aspect of their constituents lives. Yet still these same people who the political parasites failed, keep voting for the same decade after decade.

Out of intentional self defeating habit, ignorance of that doing the same thing over, and expecting different results...

I do not know or understand why, it is people will emplace others who do not truely represent the constituents best interests, into power.

Based on my 4 decades of experience, let's say 3 of those being aware of the political warfare utilized domestically as a threat, we shouldn't take any known career politicans word at face value.

We should look into their voting records, their track record if you will, and compare it to their actions versus words.

Political representatives come into the office, and while not poor are wealthy people. Those same career politicans, some how turn that $170k salary into millions by pandering to lobbyists.

Since constituents don't or can't pay, as much as lobbyists do, can and will. Political representatives aren't representing, as they were intended to.

Problem is, nothing changes because no one changes who the problem is.

Government this past decade has been nothing but a non stop campaign from one season to the next.

I remember when we only heard about these elections, a month or two before they happened.

Now, it's always a campaign...

The question you asked, may not have needed this long of a reply. However it does spark thought on it's own. My answer may not be remotely like the next person.

It is how I see things from my perspective.

Stagnation of politics is not all the politicians fault.
We as a people are just as responsible, because we enable the bad habits of politicans by reelecting them.

Again either ignorance or self defeating habit, but it happens, still I do not know why for certain.

I can't say I have the right answer. I do have an answer I believe it close to being right though.

Even though I see this differently than you or others, we each see aspects from our perspective that we believe to be true.

If we can find where, that has mutually agreed common ground, we might be able to help ourselves end the cycle of stagnation.

While we are at each other's throats for insignificant, differences of opinion, we remain distracted from finding where that ground lays.

Bread and circuses, divide and conquer...
Ignorance isn't bliss, especially for those whom aren't ignorant.






posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
Works in Japan.


Small population compared to export $$$



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: lakenheath24

The whole concept of nationalized healthcare has always been focused on removing private sector medicine. There is no other way to do it. Obamacare was essentially a chance to show us how screwed up things can get if we do not agree to single payer.

I would personally love to see universal healthcare in the US. It is an idea whose time has come. Studying other countries and how they do things leads me to that conclusion. However, those other countries have one thing we do not have, and one thing that is absolutely essential for any universal healthcare system to work: a responsive government. Without that, there is no one trustworthy enough to turn healthcare over to, and the chances that it would become little more than a depopulation mechanism for "useless eaters" are quite high.

We have to fix the government first. Ironically, the ones who are demanding universal healthcare seem to be the very ones who have given us a broken government.

TheRedneck


What countries have you been studying that implement it so well that its worth considering now?



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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Didn't Obama say he would buy everyone a house...lol


Lets see free college and debt elimination... Check 20 million votes
Free health care... Check 40 million votes

Congratulation Madam President...

But hey the education is about 2 trillion cost and the universal health care would be about 4 trillion, so they better squeeze more than 70% from the rich which only comes out to 80 billion more in taxes collected.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: narrator

So basically, you're saying that you don't *just* want to take over the medical sector of the economy, you also want to take over entire other sectors too because when a market operates, it's greed.

But here's a dirty little secret ...

Do you know why college is do expensive? Because the government made it "affordable" by underwriting loans for all.

When the government guarantees loans for anyone who wants to go, there is no incentive to keep education cheap, so colleges just raise their rates whenever they can. Another problem government created that government now has to fix. When there is no cheap credit, there is a downward pressure on price.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 06:20 PM
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Don't ever accept anything regarding changes in Healthcare until we get it in writing (law) that Congress and all other Government workers in all Agencies have to have the same type of healthcare services the masses are forced to have.

Also, until the border has a Wall and is more secure, and until the 25,000,000 that are here illegally are dealt with in one way or another, the answer is 'no' from me. I will vote against anyone that advocates for medicare for all until we solve the illegal immigration problem which must include a physical barrier damn near impenetrable.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Well, she'll get rid of private health care eh? Does that mean if she gets an STD from her "climb to the top" it'll end up being public knowledge lol. She's trending right now on twitter #williewanker and #horizontalharris for her past escapades ROFL. I get a kick out of these politicians.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

I wish I could elect people that actually represented 'me'.

That has never happened to me. Instead, I vote for someone, and if they win, they promptly do whatever it is I would not have done, regardless of whatever political party they are from. You see, they represent the money that pays for elections, and DO NOT represent the votes that the money buys them, where I live at least.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: lakenheath24

Well, she'll get rid of private health care eh? Does that mean if she gets an STD from her "climb to the top" it'll end up being public knowledge lol. She's trending right now on twitter #williewanker and #horizontalharris for her past escapades ROFL. I get a kick out of these politicians.

Cheers - Dave


No, see, she'll be like all the others who end up super wealthy or powerful -- when she has a medical need, she'll get the very best available because she's more worthy than the rest of us. She'll either do a Rand Paul and pay for the best private clinics in the world, or the government will pony up to ship her off the best clinics in the world wherever they happen to be.

She will be entitled to it, you see, as one of the best and brightest in this country.

You know, All Animals Are Equal, but Some Are More Equal Than Others.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: lakenheath24

Well, she'll get rid of private health care eh? Does that mean if she gets an STD from her "climb to the top" it'll end up being public knowledge lol. She's trending right now on twitter #williewanker and #horizontalharris for her past escapades ROFL. I get a kick out of these politicians.

Cheers - Dave


No, see, she'll be like all the others who end up super wealthy or powerful -- when she has a medical need, she'll get the very best available because she's more worthy than the rest of us. She'll either do a Rand Paul and pay for the best private clinics in the world, or the government will pony up to ship her off the best clinics in the world wherever they happen to be.

She will be entitled to it, you see, as one of the best and brightest in this country.

You know, All Animals Are Equal, but Some Are More Equal Than Others.


She's still trending as #williewanker and #horizontalharris ROFL. I wonder if she got her knee pads at home depot or lowes? I wonder if her favorite song is "Blow the man down?" More is coming out on this, it's actually comical, but I doubt it will last, something else stupid will happen, it always does.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

Kamalla Harris , Women are Really Stupid , so Vote for this here Stupid Women . Yeah , ok Bee Otch , REAL MEN are Not Touching that with a Ten Foot Pole .............NEXT .



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 04:42 AM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454


What countries have you been studying that implement it so well that its worth considering now?

Quite a few. There are advantages over US healthcare in Australia, Japan, Canada, the UK, and the Czech Republic, just to name a few off the top of my head. There are also advantages in the US, of course, but I fail to see why we shouldn't at least discuss improving our system by implementing advantages found in other countries.

I am NOT speaking of anything that comes close to Obamacare... that was a pure disaster.

However, I do not see an issue with improving access to healthcare. The trick is that these other countries do not rely on insurance... they typically use a single-payer system administered through the government. We cannot use that, because we have spent our money on other things... a world-wide military police force, a grossly inefficient public education system, a bloated court system to deal with our extreme greed and almost complete lack of common sense, and continual support for anyone who thinks they want to walk across our border, just to name a few. I didn't mention the money we use to research the mating habits of the South American Tse-Tse fly...

Socialism in itself is not a bad thing when restrained. There are many areas where it is actually a benefit. Imagine if poor parents had no other choice but to pay college-level prices to get their kids a high school diploma? Or if every time you drove your car you had to stop every few hundred yards to pay a toll to the landowner? Imagine if there were no mail to rural areas and messages had to be delivered by private courier? The public education system, highways, and post office (at least initially) are all examples of socialized programs that worked (although the public education system has become a disaster in itself, but that's because of apathy and corruption, not the socialistic nature itself).

Too much socialism is a disaster. And yes, I will mention Venezuela, just for narrator, because Venezuela is a great modern example of runaway socialism. As long as socialist policies are applied in moderation, socialism is a good thing, but apply too much and it becomes a mess. People have to have "skin in the game" to get what they want, else getting what they want means nothing.

Now, is healthcare a want or a need?

I'd call it a need, because the alternative is kinda nasty. Parts of it are wants... elective cosmetic surgery, for example. Treatment of minor ailments is a want and not a need. But life-threatening issues are needs and thus are a legitimate discussion for a plan that allows all legal residents access to healthcare. As we have it right now, only criminals and illegal aliens really get good health care, both paid for by others. In that light, our healthcare system is already socialized by necessity, because of the need for it.

Life is not black and white, hoss. We do not live in a completely capitalistic society either, and I for one am thankful we don't. You should be too... pure capitalism, like runaway socialism, is a disaster in the making.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I cant get my head around peeps that are ok with social security and "free" school for every child, but spaz out over healthcare.

If we managed it properly i bet it could be done. Unfortunately if will be managed like public schools, where we spend more and get less per student than almost all western countries.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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If we managed it properly i bet it could be done. Unfortunately if will be managed like public schools, where we spend more and get less per student than almost all western countries.

That's the most basic problem, I think. We have come to distrust our government's intentions (with very good reason) and thus the idea that all socialism is inherently bad has taken hold. Socialism can be extremely bad, but it can also offset the evils that are inherent in capitalism.

I have likened capitalism to an Irish tater... bland, tasteless, plain, yet nutritious... and socialism to salt. If you fry that tater up and sprinkle some salt on it you get delicious, mouth-watering, almost utopian French fries! But too much salt and those French fries become inedible. We need balance, not absolutes.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Interesting analogy as ye olde plain tater has a unique,hidden talent.....it can be used as a battery to power a lightbulb. Perhaps shedding some light on things.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I believe it's crony capitalism you speak of, capitalism in general has improved lives around the world.

The USofA is not solely the only capitalist entity in the world. Every Country doing trade, is capitalist. Same with any business...

It's when crony capitalism is factored in, that it gains a bad reputation.

If the people who are against capitalism, took themselves seriously or the subject, they wouldn't be hypocrites and buy the next iPhone or Android.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 09:59 AM
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The left is truly like the Borg. Collective assimilation is what they are looking for. This dark horse is trying to send us back to the dark ages. I have excellent insurance through my employer like many do. Why should we have to play in their sandbox?

Is it the goal of the left to control health care so they can tell you, you are too old or you are a conservative, or some other reason of their choosing, so you need to die?



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: narrator

So basically, you're saying that you don't *just* want to take over the medical sector of the economy, you also want to take over entire other sectors too because when a market operates, it's greed.

But here's a dirty little secret ...

Do you know why college is do expensive? Because the government made it "affordable" by underwriting loans for all.

When the government guarantees loans for anyone who wants to go, there is no incentive to keep education cheap, so colleges just raise their rates whenever they can. Another problem government created that government now has to fix. When there is no cheap credit, there is a downward pressure on price.


People put an awful lot of words in someone's mouth when they can't put together a strong enough argument to compete.

Where did I say I want to take over "entire other sectors"? I didn't. I said that the education system in America is f*cked too. It needs revamped. At this point, private organizations aren't going to slash their prices because they're profiting too much from education.
A 1988 Harvard grad would've paid about $17,100. In 2018, it cost about $44,900.
www.cnbc.com...
Do you have evidence to back up your claim that the cost increased by 263% in 30 years specifically because the government started giving out loans?
I'd argue that the government started giving out loans because it got crazy expensive to go to college, and no private loan company wants to give a fresh-out-of-high-school kid with no work experience and no income a loan for $50,000.
The government giving everyone that big of a loan isn't ideal, but if they didn't then a ton of people wouldn't be going to college, and we'd have a job crisis in a few years. Not everyone can afford $11,250 per year JUST for tuition. The cost of college has to go down.
Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, France, etc. all have virtually free college, and those countries aren't spiraling out of control. As a matter of fact, those countries beat out the US in a lot of measurable metrics in terms of "success".

Here's a dirty little secret for you: Most Conservatives are too stubborn to admit that America doesn't always come up with the best ideas, sometimes other countries do things better than us. But they stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la la la" instead of listening to ideas that could significantly help our population out.
A LOT of people in America struggle on a daily basis. What's wrong with trying to help others out? Jesus sure liked to do that. Aren't Republicans supposed to be God fearing Christians?
"Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: ADVISOR

Capitalism works for the vast majority of people, but it has two main areas where it fails.

The first is the super wealthy. It is not the wealth in itself that is the problem, but rather the fact that one can conceivably become so wealthy they can literally affect the marketplace and place themselves at an advantage over competition. As long as competition exists, wealth is not an issue under capitalism, because it relies on competition to self-regulate. If I understand you correctly, the "crony capitalism" refers to an essential oligarchy, wherein competition is squelched by an agreement among multiple players to regulate the market for their own success... and that is essentially the same thing.

We have anti-trust laws (although we could use them much more effectively) to combat this area of failure.

The second problem is the very poor. It is possible for someone to lose under capitalism so badly that they simply cannot recover, meaning they will starve under a true capitalistic society. This does not only happen when people are "lazy"... it can happen due to medical issues, or simply a long run of bad luck.

We combat this problem (to a small degree; we can do much better) with welfare, food stamps, etc.

Healthcare is an area ripe for the "crony capitalism" problem you mention. There is not much of a choice when purchasing healthcare. One either uses it or dies. If one is unconscious, most municipalities I know of will even transport them to a medical facility without consent, as they assume consent is implied. This is in stark contrast to say, entertainment. If I am offered the purchase of a TV, I have several avenues of possibility I can follow: I can buy a large, expensive TV; I can buy a small TV for much less; I have several options in between the extremes; I can, if I have the ability, build a TV; I can choose to not use TV at all. Therefore the manufacturers of TVs must compete for my business... a failure to provide a reasonable option can result in me deciding I don't even want a TV that badly and spend my money on something else.

With healthcare, that choice of doing without does not result in practicality. Thus, providers can meet among themselves and determine rates they all agree with, effectively leaving me with no choice as to quality of care.

We have other services that are tightly controlled: electric service, since there is typically only one electricity supplier in an area, is regulated as to the prices they can charge. Electricity is not something that is considered a luxury or even a want in modern society. Here we have mandatory garbage service... while I disagree with the concept of legally enforcing such, at least the cost is regulated by the municipality because one cannot refuse service.

I simply do not see why a similar arrangement, properly implemented, could not be used to control health care costs and provide taxpayer-subsidized health care for the indigent... well, other than the reasons I mentioned in previous posts.

TheRedneck



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