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AP Exclusive: Anti-Maduro coalition grew from secret talks

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posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




So in your own words, why did socialism fail in Venezuela? Because, you know, it failed for a different reason this time. .

Lets all jump in the regime change bandwagon because this time it will be different right? because America gov's never does any wrong right?

Lets always blame socialism for problems of the country without looking at the bigger picture, but lets jump in the regime change bandwagon because the Opposition promises to make Venezuela great again right?




posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I suspect you are almost correct as i did read the report so there's that. But yes i don't have the facts at least enough to prove anything one way or another...thats what I'm after...more facts...



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Lumenari

There are many reasons for the failure of Venezuela, socialism is only a small part of that failure.


It certainly isn't the only reason, that's fair. But to say it's a "small" part is a bit misleading.

I'd say it was the "major" part, bearing in mind anything over 50.1 percent could be considered major.

They depending on the price of oil for their socialist system. With something like 90+ percent(IIRC) of their exports being oil, they were very poorly exposed, financially, as a nation.

Oil prices tanked 50 percent and that played a significant role. The heavily funded social policies consumed a large amount of their money.

We could argue if that was 50.1, 60 percent or 70 percent of the problem. Either way, it was most definitely a problem.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: MisterSpock

The problem with the current socialist system in Venezuela is because for the majority of the oil Maduro's privatized the oil a number of his current polices were executed poorly without proper planning.

Maduro is no chavez.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Lumenari

There are many reasons for the failure of Venezuela, socialism is only a small part of that failure.

Yes , there are many reasons
Yet socialism is behind a large percentage of those reasons.
An oppressive socialist government .
One that ignored and altered the vote of the people as well.
Something like the modern day Democratic Party in the US.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




No sympathy for a socialist regime.

The people of Venezuela are suffering. So we're doing something about it. Might even ease the illegals pouring over our border.


Possibly one of the most ignorant posts I've read in a while.



The United States has almost always opposed — whether by slaughter, spies or sanctions — any government or movement that seeks to freely choose its own political and economic path if it diverges from the corporate capitalist order backed by Washington and Wall Street. It has long sought to crush the boldly defiant Bolivarian Revolution, just as it has crushed countless popular revolutions and movements before. The Maduro regime is far from perfect. But to call Maduro a dictator and to advocate regime change in Caracas while supporting far worse tyrants around the world just because they’re US-friendly is an exercise in the blatant, bloody hypocrisy for which the United States has long been infamous around the planet, especially among its poorer parts and peoples.


I strongly suggest reading the following link, and try brushing up on some FACTS before commenting.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog


Yet socialism is behind a large percentage of those reasons. An oppressive socialist government .

And right winger governments never do succeed very often.
Whats happening in Brazil with Jair Bolsonaro should be a very good example



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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and here I assumed it was all spontaneous protesting 🤣



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: MisterSpock

This is a thing I've never understood...if you know a country is opposed to a style of government or certain types of actions...why on earth is it surprising when they oppose it? If 90% of your exports are oil and you have a ton of customers that are opposed to your style of government...do you really think they are going to keep trading with you?

They might if you are in a position to maintain that power...surely not when your people are starving and your economy is about nonexistent



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: MisterSpock

I can agree with that, I would say though trying to work out the percentages is a no sum game, it was part of the problem how much isn't really quantifiable.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: DBCowboy




Possibly one of the most ignorant posts I've read in a while.




Thank you! I do try.




posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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So, it's Venezuelan collusion now is it?

Let me know how that works out.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Gothmog


Yet socialism is behind a large percentage of those reasons. An oppressive socialist government .

And right winger governments never do succeed very often.
Whats happening in Brazil with Jair Bolsonaro should be a very good example

Who is speaking of "right-winger" governments ?
And , what exactly does "right-winger" mean ?
There is
Fascist
Communist
Republic
Democratic
Communist
So on, and so forth
Yet I have seen no definition of a "right-wing" government.


edit on 1/28/19 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:54 PM
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Because it is a socialist government, people are upset that the US may be trying to actually help the people and support someone who isn't a socialist.

It isn't as if anyone here against the US is actually for the people of Venezuela. They are just for the regime.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk
No, the people were not suferring under American sanctions. Key members of Maduro's government was, and if you want to point the blame at someone, point it at Obama for declaring the national emergency that allowed sanctions on Venezuela.

I guess this is where I link the state department's list of sanctions on Venezuela and the executive order national emergency Obama declared to make it happen?? I swear I did that already in another thread, just got to find it.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Because it is a socialist government, people are upset that the US may be trying to actually help the people and support someone who isn't a socialist.

It isn't as if anyone here against the US is actually for the people of Venezuela. They are just for the regime.




Well one thing is certain when you are wrong you are spectacularly wrong.

The U. S doesn't help it's own people what makes you think they have a vested interest in helping people from other countries?



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So you are saying that the people of Venezuela are better off with Maduro.




posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
dude, the overwhelming majority of citizens in the USA are quite well fed. Very little hunger on a per capita basis. A governing system can only subsidize so much. China chooses manufacturing. America chooses Food. Some European countries focus on Science. But nobody can do it all, they would just go bankrupt trying to figure it out.
To say this country does not help its own people is so asinine and ignorant, its akin to some pre-teen temper tantrum retort.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

No I'm saying the U. S aren't in the business of humanitarian aid.



posted on Jan, 28 2019 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

Go and tell our veterans that they are well taken care of, tell that to all the people on tent cities in major cities, tell that to all the incarcerated for smoking pot and that's only the tip of the iceberg, oh and don't you have a humanitarian wall to build ..




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