a reply to: wtfatta
Dude ... you do not understand nearly as much as you think you do.
1. When you receive your live-virus vaccinations, you are infected with said live-virus. It may be attenuated by adjuvants, but you're still
infected, and it's still communicable which is why you're supposed to stay away from people for a period of time after receiving your vaccination yet
An adjuvant is something added to the injection to irritate your system to create an immune response so that your body sends more white cells to the
area faster to pick up on the virus's presence in your system. Attenuated means weakened as in the virulence, or ability of the pathogen to actually
harm you (make you sick, both through its actions and your immune system's), has been so reduced as to not make most people ill at all. Hence the use
of adjuvants to tip the immune system off.
The reactions most people have to the injection, even the systemic ones are actually their own immune system making them feel crappy. Even the most
severe reactions, life-threatening ones are pretty much immune system based (often severe allergic reactions to the adjuvants, not the virus).
2. Live viruses mutate. Unnecessary flu shots result in a myriad of mutated strains that need to be examined to determine which mutation will
be the most prevalent.
Live viruses do mutate, but in the case of the flu, it mutates so quickly that those mutations have occurred before the year's flu vaccines even hit
the market which is why they such a crap shoot. The flu virus freely moves between a myriad of animal hosts and back to humans again which is why and
where the strains pick up their mutations. Vaccines have little to do with it at all as the injectable ones are made using inactivated (killed) virus
or only snippets of viral DNA needed to activate an immune response.
3. Herd immunity is a fallacy because 100% is required not 95%. If even one person isn't vaccinated, the strain could mutate and render the
herd immunity moot. 100% herd immunity is impossible because not everyone can receive a vaccination.
100% is NOT a requirement for herd immunity. No disease is 100% communicable unless we're talking Steven King, but even Captain Tripps was not 100%
communicable. In order to keep spreading, they all require certain optimal conditions and access to new hosts. For Ebola, this requires new hosts to
come into contact with the infectious body fluids of the infected. Funerary practices in many African cultures facilitate this as contact with the
deceased at funerals with much weeping and throwing of oneself over the dead body is common for the relatives to do -- highly likely to come into
contact with diseased fluids.
But, take away optimal conditions to spread, and you break the chain.
This is why people with flu-liked symptoms are urged to stay home during flu season. The virus can readily survive on surfaces for a period of time
waiting for someone else to pick it up and transmit it. Innoculate enough people, and even if the virus is picked up, it cannot transmit. It has an
increasingly limited pool of hosts it can perpetuate itself in. Limit the number of hosts and you limit the number of places that can be contaminated
for those who are not innoculated for one reason or another.
It doesn't take long before your odds of a substantial outbreak are greatly reduced even without a perfect 100% vaccination rate which, of course, you
can never attain, just like you will never attain a perfectly 100% effective vaccine.
4. I'm not anti-vax. Vaccines that don't contain a mutatable live virus are fine. Most of the issues people have with vaccines surround
live-virus vaccines, the preservatives and the adjuvants.
Then you received your flu injection, right? I didn't, but I did get my shots against certain other diseases, live virus or no. Somehow, I think
getting polio would be worse than taking a risk with the oral vaccine if that was what was available.
5. I'll repeat this because so few people abide by it. When you get a live-virus vaccine you are INFECTED. You have a COMMUNICABLE DISEASE. If
you do not wait the required time, YOU WILL INFECT OTHER PEOPLE!!
No, you won't.
6. Vaccines can help save lives.
Yes, they can unless you are afraid of them.
7. Vaccines given to people who don't understand the responsibilities, potential risks and consequences can take lives.
A vaccine given to someone who understands it all can still take your life if you're unlikely enough to have a severe allergic reaction to it.