a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed
OK, so we have some features people find interesting and believe are satellite dishes and a wall.
The OP image was taken by Apollo 16's Metric Mapping Camera (MMC) on its 60th orbit of the moon. On its 17th and 18th orbits it also took images of
the area in question, this time from directly above. Here's a source for an image of comparable quality to the OP's:
Here's a crop of it with the region picked out identified.
The first thing to mention is that the "wall" is actually the crater rim, technically a wall but a perfectly natural one. Drawing a line on a feature
and declaring that it is a wall does not make it a wall. The "satellite dishes" are just impact craters. We can see that more clearly when we look at
a higher resolution 1.2 Gb raw scan of the image from here:
Sticking with Apollo for now, we also have Apollo 15, which flew over it on several orbits, but here's the area from MMC image AS15-M-1609:
There's also this oblique view from Apollo 10 in AS10-32-4806:
And another from Apollo 12, AS12-51-7565 - this time from a different viewpoint that clearly shows the crater rim and the 'satellite' craters as just
that - the crater rim and craters.
I have adjusted the levels in the Apollo images to make the details clearer. The raw MMC tiffs in particular have a lot of unwanted light level
information that needs toning down in order to make things clear. If you don't like that, download them and do the same - you'll find nothing has been
added or removed.
The OP and NoCorruptionAllowed like Clementine because they think that someone vaguely connected with it who then went on to make ludicrous and
totally unfounded claims about nuclear war on Mars and by sheer coincidence had a couple of scifi novels to promote said some stuff. Here's
Clementine's view of the area, taken from here
It's a combination of 2 tiles, and anyone who thinks that Clementine is a better source of imagery is just not looking seriously at the qualititative
differences between it and other sources. Speaking of other sources, there are plenty of them that make it much easier to identify that we are simply
looking at small craters and the crater rim. Here is China's view of the crater from above:
Now from a few different angles in the 3D model:
And now for Japan, firstly with a couple of views showing how different lighting affects what we're looking at:
As you can see, the 2nd one is built from several tiles which makes building the 3D models more challenging. Speaking of which, here are some 3D
perspectives from Kaguya:
Again, brightness levels have been adjusted to bring out detail, but absolutely nothing has been added or removed.
So there we have several images from a variety of sources all showing pretty clearly that the alleged wall and satellite dishes are nothing more than
natural features involving the crater rim of and impact craters within Kiess crater. I haven't even bothered with the LRO images, but just for the
sake of completeness here's the same area rendered in 3D from the LRO quickmap site:
No walls. No satellite dishes. No boxes or trusses.
If you don't like any of these images, tough. I'm not interested in whether you have a problem with the photographs, or whether your belief system
won't allow you to accept that they are genuine. I don't care if you don't like the source, or what I've done in order to present them to you. If you
have a problem with any of it, then you need to prove to me that they aren't correct, or don't genuinely represent the true appearance of the lunar
surface. Seeing as you can't go to the moon then these are all you have to go on.
You don't get to arbitrarily dismiss a source just because you don't like what you see or that it proves you to be comprehensively incorrect. Simply
telling me "you are wrong" is both discourteous and inadequate and does not even begin to register on the scale of what amounts to acceptable proof.
You have the sources and the means to process the images yourself. Off you go.