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According to an Venezuelan Protester from Korea: Capitalism the Only Response To End Poverty

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posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Capitalism= PROGRESS.

Socialism = ZOO and politicians are the highest paid zoo keepers in the land.

I'll take capitalism every day of the week and twice on sundays.

Anyone pushing ANYTHING else is DELUSIONAL.


They are both wings of the same bird and both failed systems.




posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: fluff007

so..whats your fix then?
anyone can claim something doesnt work,
so how do YOU propose fixing the issue



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk


Howcome at capitalist countries like Korea ,Japan ,germany etc have high living costs?

And what is the cost of living in failing socialist nations like Venezuela? Let me ask you this, would you prefer to live in the communist North Korea where progress is slow and liberty is highly limited, or the capitalist South Korea which is one of the most technologically advanced nations on Earth? For example South Korea has the worlds fastest internet speed, North Korea barely has an internet. They also have the 11th largest GDP of all nations, North Korea isn't even in the top 100.


I then told him how the regime changes had failed in the middle east in Iraq and Libya. Resulting in no prosperity, people regretting the protesting. He had no reply to that.

I agree the U.S. should not have supported the overthrow of a sovereign government in Libya or Syria, but I don't see how that really has any relevance to this debate. Obviously a forceful regime change is typically a bad thing unless the leader in question is truly an evil dictator, but I see no reason the people of Venezuela couldn't decide it's time to really fix the core issues by taking a different path, a path more likely to produce prosperity instead of poverty.



posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 03:37 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

except that is wrong...

Capitalism keeps the rich richer, and the poor getting poorer, Capitalism is about the "elite"


socialism, as theorised, and not State-socialism would eliminate the class differential



posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 04:33 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Edumakated

Capitalism keeps the rich richer, and the poor getting poorer, Capitalism is about the "elite"

Perhaps you can explain why a substantial fraction of highly successful people grew up in poor or middle class families. Their upbringing is precisely what gave them the drive necessary to be successful, this mindset that it's impossible to move out of poverty within a capitalist system is a defeatist attitude and if that's the way you think it will be your reality, you'll never take the initiative to pave a successful career path for yourself. It's very dangerous to get stuck in the mindset that society is always against you and there's no way to improve your life. Maybe if you're over 50 and living on the streets then I'd agree there's a long uphill battle, but otherwise you have the necessary opportunities to find what you love and make a living from it, all it takes is initiative and dedication. Why do you think that point is constantly reiterated by rich people, most of them worked extremely hard to get where they are and that's why they find it so offensive when people talk about taking away larger chunks of their wealth and just handing it out to people who've done nothing to earn it.


socialism, as theorised, and not State-socialism would eliminate the class differential

As theorized by who exactly? There are a lot of different theories and every one that I've seen involves state control, the government has to use taxes to redistribute wealth. How exactly can you enforce equality any other way? You think people are just going to share everything if left to their own devices? Actually when people are left to trade freely you get something called free market capitalism, people will buy and sell resources among themselves and the economy will be based on supply and demand. If there is a demand for fruit then the farmer works hard to grow fruit and trade it for resource he needs more than fruit. Socialism has been tried in countless different forms and every time it leads to even worse inequality, there is simply no such thing as this magical land where perfect equality exists, and to believe otherwise is to have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature.



posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 04:43 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Chavez liked like a KING while his people starved.

Go socialism!


Chávez was good for Venezuela under his rule people prospered , he used Venezuela's oil wealth for the benefit of the people.

Venezuela's economy improved dramatically during much of the Chávez presidency, trending positive until the oil price collapse in 2013.[4] From 1999 through 2013, inflation dropped to its lowest levels in the country since the late 1980s, and unemployment dropped drastically, following many years of increases before Chávez was elected.[4] In 1999, when Chávez took office, unemployment was 14.5 percent; for 2011 it had declined to 7.8 percent.[4] Poverty also decreased significantly, dropping by nearly 50 percent since the oil strike, with extreme poverty dropping by over 70 percent
en.wikipedia.org...

Chávez knew how to run a country , Maduro doesn't.



posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 04:49 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Capitalism is what takes people out of poverty... does it eliminate poverty, no? But it certainly allows people to improve their lot in life.

Socialism is shared misery (except for the elite).

Capitalism is what allows the impoverished in America to live like the rich in other countries....

A minimum wage job in America almost pays enough for you to be part of the global 1%. The standard of living in America has the poorest among us living better than most of the rest of the world.... running water, electricity, Xboxs, flat screen tvs, clothing, HVAC, cars... 99% of homes in the US have running water. electricity. plumbing.

The worst ghetto in America looks like Beverly Hills next to some of the sh*t holes I've been in other countries.


You know a lot of it came from the destruction of other "sh*it hole countries, right? They would be better if it wasn't for the "intervention" thing everyone forgets when they call them "sh*t holes", while being completely ignorant about how they ended up like that in the first place

"As long as i'm doing ok, f*k every one else"

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posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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All economic and labor systems are flawed and have a tendency to drift to the extreme during late stages. The difference between capitalism and all other systems is when extreme capitalism takes over there is a huge wealth disparity. When extreme socialism and communism take hold hundreds of millions of innocent people die at the hands of the state.

At least with late stage capitalism the citizenry still has the ability to regain power. No so much with all other forms of governance who's first agenda is usually disarming the populace.
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posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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It's the only way to make progress because any country that tries another system gets screwed by the capitalist mafia.



posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

It sounds like your opponent was right. The stark difference between south and North Korea, east and west Germany, for instance, are examples that favor capitalism over socialism.



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