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According to an Venezuelan Protester from Korea: Capitalism the Only Response To End Poverty

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posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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According to an Venezuelan Protester from South Korea:Capitalism Is the Only Response To End Poverty

On Social Media i noticed a few trolls pushing the regime change narrative on Venezuela, i was then engaged in a debate with this supposed Venezuelan who lives in South Korea but returned to Venezuela to join protests.

He claimed that Capitalism Is the Only Response is the only response to eliminate poverty, then he went with this response.



Let's take a look at capitalist countries like Korea ,Japan ,germany etc


I responded to him about those countries how those same countries are experiencing massive high living costs. For that he had no response to me, he ignored my reply when i asked him. Howcome at capitalist countries like Korea ,Japan ,germany etc have high living costs? no response. For about an hour or so.

These were his only replies.



Gaddafi was a brutal dictator





Russia and China support dictatorship





SEVERAL CITIES PROTESTED AGAINST MADURO REGIME




25 million against maduro

Quite a claim that 25 million against maduro when he couldn't back it up.


My Debate
I then told him how the regime changes had failed in the middle east in Iraq and Libya. Resulting in no prosperity, people regretting the protesting. He had no reply to that.
Then i told him how Americans are only interested in the oil. He completely ignores what is happening now in Libya or the fact that Libya is a failed, still refers that Gaddafi was a brutal dictator even though, we all know the truth what happened in Libya now.




posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 03:50 PM
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Capitalism is what takes people out of poverty... does it eliminate poverty, no? But it certainly allows people to improve their lot in life.

Socialism is shared misery (except for the elite).

Capitalism is what allows the impoverished in America to live like the rich in other countries....

A minimum wage job in America almost pays enough for you to be part of the global 1%. The standard of living in America has the poorest among us living better than most of the rest of the world.... running water, electricity, Xboxs, flat screen tvs, clothing, HVAC, cars... 99% of homes in the US have running water. electricity. plumbing.

The worst ghetto in America looks like Beverly Hills next to some of the sh*t holes I've been in other countries.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated



Capitalism is what takes people out of poverty... does it eliminate poverty, no? But it certainly allows people to improve their lot in life.


Not really. Capitalism only benefits the 1% but not those who make or work below 10k. In Capitalism competition is being eaten up by larger companies. So in truth when it comes down to competition a small thriving business wont last very long.



does it eliminate poverty, no?

Did it end poverty in America or Britain? i am seeing the numbers for homelessness in America and its quite sad how its growing.





Socialism is shared misery (except for the elite).

Thats what Capitalism does to.
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posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 03:59 PM
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Capitalism= PROGRESS.

Socialism = ZOO and politicians are the highest paid zoo keepers in the land.

I'll take capitalism every day of the week and twice on sundays.

Anyone pushing ANYTHING else is DELUSIONAL.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: neo96




Capitalism= PROGRESS.

Again if your a millionaire, billionaire sure that's quite progress. Only the wealthy elitists benefit from the system at least those who are running businesses.


People making less then 10k aren't making progress in this system.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk


People making less than $10k aren't many and aren't trying.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk




Again if your a millionaire, billionaire sure that's quite progress. Only the wealthy elitists benefit from the system at least those who are running businesses.


Talking about those millionaire,billionaire SOCIALISTS like Pelosi, and Soros et al?



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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my question is does capitalism inadvertently cause poverty in other parts of the world...for example in order for air jordans to be profitable they have to be made for $1 a day by chinese wage slaves.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: mikell

The only ones cheering for Capitalism. People with 100k or Above.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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Chavez liked like a KING while his people starved.

Go socialism!



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Trump comes to mind. ^

The Trump admin still hasn't build a wall, nor fortified the American Borders, do you still somehow believe that an billionaire president like all the rest of the billionaires would even care about the ordinary people?
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posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Chavez liked like a KING while his people starved.

Go socialism!


The reason why the people were starving were because of America's sanctions.
Lets ignore that reality to.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Global Traders Halt New Iran Food Deals as US Sanctions Bite

Source

The articles speak for themselves.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

The US is the only nation in the entire history of capitalism existing to make it actually work, and even at that they still have socialist implementations. And the reasons behind it is because of how they were given economic might in return for their world policing after two world wars ravaged the planet and needed to be rebuilt, and they have held onto that economic might very carefully.

But people tend to ignore than Japan, Korea, and Germany have HEAVY socialist platforms in place. And Libya was run by a careless dictator who flew to close to the sun many times and pissed off his citizens while he was at it. Also, it was NATO that helped Libya not just the US.

Socialism isn't just a one size fits all thing, when it starts to claw it's way into everyday life AND government, it's called communism. Otherwise, socialism is wisely used by governments to implement healthcare, education, welfare, etc, etc.
When you mix capitalism with socialism it works well, there needs to be a healthy middle ground.
But then you get nations like France that will throw protests just for the sake of throwing one that demands more and more all the while demanding to lower taxes, it's dangerous grounds.

Venezuela is a touchy subject, people tend to ignore facts and timelines of what happened there because it's been branded already by the internet right wing base, there's no escape from that, the left hate train keeps getting larger and larger, no use to even use it as a topic of discussion anymore.
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posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:29 PM
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But people tend to ignore than Japan, Korea, and Germany have HEAVY socialist platforms in place. And Libya was run by a careless dictator who flew to close to the sun many times and pissed off his citizens while he was at it. Also, it was NATO that helped Libya not just the US.


The Libyan Crisis and protests was staged, manufactured from the start.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

whos fault is it, if youre only making 10k or less?
Is it someone elses fault, the systems?

Im no millionaire, but Ive worked my ass off my whole life, exponentially increasing my families bottom line.

Socialism, is mediocrity



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

Capitalism is no saint. I sometimes laugh when they say that Capitalism is the best yet always ignore the issues that these capitalist countries have at home.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Edumakated



Capitalism is what takes people out of poverty... does it eliminate poverty, no? But it certainly allows people to improve their lot in life.


Not really. Capitalism only benefits the 1% but not those who make or work below 10k. In Capitalism competition is being eaten up by larger companies. So in truth when it comes down to competition a small thriving business wont last very long.



does it eliminate poverty, no?

Did it end poverty in America or Britain? i am seeing the numbers for homelessness in America and its quite sad how its growing.





Socialism is shared misery (except for the elite).

Thats what Capitalism does to.


Those homeless numbers are concentrated in Democrat states mainly. And guess what, they want socialism. And no one is supposed to stay at 10k a year. That's the point. You find a way, whether its college, trades, a good or service you come up with on your own etc, and lift yourself up.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 05:48 PM
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Let's not confuse capitalism with free market capitalism. We haven't had free market capitalism in the U.S. since 1912. I believe there's a fine balance between capitalism and socialism. Imo, we achieved that balance during the 1950s in the U.S.. A debt based fractional reserve central bank with a fiat currency & adjustable interest rates is not a free market monetary system. Neither is bailing out banking, insurance, airline, farming, postal & automotive industries.



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

So choose German cost of living or Venezuela. Which is better?




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