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Social Justice Reformation

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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:22 AM
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Good news for those who are truly interested in tackling real disparity and injustice which is continually glossed over and ignored by the non-issues the media constantly shoves in the public’s face.

There is a growing group of loving, truth seeking, dialogue engaging people who are horrified by the caustic ideology which has taken over the social justice movement. This is a non denominational/partisan movement as far as I can see and is interested in listening, engaging, and learning from differing perspectives while addressing our most pressing problems.

Last night I spent several hours combing through the information available at this site, (socialjusticereformation.com...)and it’s exhilarating and refreshing to know that such a community exists. I’m thrilled at the prospect of joining a group focused on making positive impacts where it’s needed the most, and which leaves the bile, virtue signaling, and identity politics behind.

The author told me this about her site:
"This is something I wrote shortly after an episode in which a dear friend of mine was unfairly accused of being bigoted and then harassed and ostracized online by "woke" friends she once had. She suffered suicidal ideation for months after this episode. And, I have experienced the same with individuals."

I’ll post some excerpts from the site, but I urge you to check it out and watch the linked videos!
The first is called “The Problem of Wokeness.” LOVE it.

The site addresses the point where self advocacy became weaponized, and where identity politics began to counteract the true value behind the idea of “equality of ALL.”

When articles titled “Why Can’t We Hate Men?” are taken even remotely seriously, we have a problem. We’ve reached a level of disconnect from our own roots, from our own biology, from our own reason that is frightening.

And this is not to excuse anyone from the other end of the spectrum who continually used SJW’s faults as an excuse to pour out more hatred into the mix. Regardless of the method, all forms of abusive activity draws away from any opportunity at real change or unity.

Some excerpts from the site: (this one quite relevant to the latest #storm the media propagated)

“The solution, then, is not to try to make shame storms well targeted, but to make it so they happen as infrequently as possible. Editors should refuse to run stories that have no value except humiliation, and readers should refuse to click on them. It is, after all, the moral equivalent of contributing your rock to a public stoning. We should all develop a robust sense of what is and is not any of our business. Shame can be useful—and even necessary—but it is toxic unless a relationship exists between two people first. A Twitter mob is no more a basis for salutary shaming than an actual mob is for reasoned discussion. That would be true even if the shaming’s relics were not preserved forever by Google, making any kind of rehabilitation impossible”.



This page was set up as a resource for people who are committed to the general principles of protecting human rights and working for a socially just world in which all can thrive free from fear, inequity, and oppression. We want that outlook to be protected and to succeed, which is why we aim to critique those elements that we feel are interfering with this vision.

We recognize that mass movements can often deteriorate into mobbing behaviors that bring fear, violence and cruelty into the world and that this can occur across the political spectrum. We want to focus on the movements and frameworks that claim to speak on behalf of empathy, human rights and social justice because the troublesome patterns that have been arising over the past few years in the world of social justice are likely to escalate if these patterns are left unchecked.


I'm so excited to have been introduced to people interested in bringing justice back! Let me know if you're interested and please pass the info on to anyone you think would want to read.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:27 AM
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It's going to take a LOT of effort to undo the damage to society that "social justice" has done in the last decade.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I feel up for the challenge!

(But do agree)




posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: zosimov

It's a daunting task. SJWs are responsible for bringing back segregation. They have been allowed to cow everyone into submission by their mere loudness and willingness to be violent, commit others to violence via doxxing, and character assasination on the internet.

This spread to the MSM and they are now using SJW ideology and tactics to undermine the government and propagandize the people with even more social justice bull#.

It's a cycle that feeds on itself, and all those "problems" that the article complains about are actually FEATURES designed into social justice ideology.

This is Rules for Radicals by Saul Alynski.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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Can't watch the videos just yet, but a read of the front page is refreshing. I worried out society is far too gone, but this is the fight we need to fight.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Agreed, the ideology is dangerous and, having been employed by the media, is more and more pervasive.
But luckily there are people willing to put emotion aside and think are not
a)getting caught up in this ideology
or
b)in putting all effort into blasting the symptom rather than trying to find a unified ground.

These are the ones I want to talk to.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: zosimov

You see, now you're talking about messing with someone's investment.

This is definitely a bought and paid for 'movement'.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: headorheart

Refreshing is the perfect way to describe the material! I'm also invigorated by the concept. It feels like a huge relief, as if there aren't only 2 ways to approach the nuanced issues we face.

I think you will love the video/podcasts. All I've seen so far is great.




posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Again, agreed. But I have so little to lose and so much to gain


(I have 2 kids who have a future here and hope they might have kids someday also.. not to mention I really care about other people's kids too. I'm invested)
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: zosimov

I'm invested as well.

I too have kids I don't want growing up in the world SJWs are attempting to create.

That world is like a mirror Norman Rockwell universe, but everyone has piercings, multicolored hair, tattoos, untreated mental illnesses, and are so woke they segregate themselves. All while everyone else either looks on in disbelief or cowers away from this insidious mob.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

It's not a foregone conclusion.



It would definitely take unity rather than infighting to achieve. I actually believe, despite the heatedness of the mudpit, we have quite a bit of unity on here and a willingness to talk and listen.




posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: zosimov


I like this, me and my drum are coming to your next meeting.

Right after I fix this fridge that isn't working.





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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: zosimov

The mudpit is great for expressing anger.

Anger isn't so good for finding solutions to problems.

This is something SJWs either haven't figured out or are simply uninterested because it feels good to be angry and righteous. We need more empathy. Empathy is a problem-solving skill. There's no coddling required and no fake validation of absurdities when being empathetic. People often confuse that for sympathy. Sympathy is just a nice word for "feeling sorry" for something or someone.

I don't feel sorry for myself, for others, or for anything. Pity never solved a problem at-large. We need to roll up our ideological sleeves and return to the very real progress we were making before this insane distraction took over our minds.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Okay thank you for the laugh my friend.

I'll be sure to send the uh, ahem coordinates to our next meeting your way as soon as we pick a spot.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: zosimov


I don't feel sorry for myself, for others, or for anything. Pity never solved a problem at-large. We need to roll up our ideological sleeves and return to the very real progress we were making before this insane distraction took over our minds.



I really loved everything you said but wanted to bold this part especially as a reminder that we really WERE getting somewhere good when there was a hijack, the red herring got thrown in. On purpose in my opinion and it looks like you might be of the same mind.

Thanks for the great dialogue.


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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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but wanted to bold this part especially as a reminder that we really WERE getting somewhere good when there was a hijack


I'd like to hammer that point more honestly.

Look at all the progress we have made as a society, to be truly inclusive against the backdrop of an overarching AMERICAN culture, which is now in danger of being erased. We didn't need "social justice" because we were fighting for EQUAL justice.

We let that go thinking social justice would get us there faster. All it did was shove insanity down the throats of otherwise sane people, and everyone has retreated to their corners.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: zosimov

That's a great little resource. Thanks for sharing.

My only issue is that I don't think social justice can be reformed without going back to plain ol' justice.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: zosimov



My only issue is that I don't think social justice can be reformed without going back to plain ol' justice.


You'd find no arguments from me there!




posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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Im 100% in favor of reforming the culture of social justice. It has largely become very toxic, insular, and undermining of progress and many ostensible justice principles.

Also, it’s spread very wide across academia and organizations, making it impactful and serious.

As a white blonde male, I’ve personally been the target of both weaponized social justice by competitors or those trying to escape censure themselves, and ideologues who actually think I’m not an expert, aware, educated, just, worthy of respect, etc, because of my race and gender.

I even have studied and worked on sj related issues, extensively. And that still hasn’t protected me from some dismissal, losing out on jobs and promotions, and attacks, often explicitly based on my race and gender. I’m like the socialist that isn’t left enough for the commies.

Whereas ostensibly a justice principle is not to maltreat or stereotype anyone based on identity, now its perfectly acceptable to do so to whites or males.

Whereas ostensibly a justice principle is to judge people on their character, behavior, and qualifications on a subject, and not for example put down women or poc, now many literally just flip the script and want women or poc to be leveraged over men or whites.

The problem is that a lot of ideologies such as post modernism, monolithic collectivist identities, and cultural Marxism have been superimposed over real justice initiatives.

It’s ossified into a secular religion where the Truth is known, and anybody that disagrees is a heretic and will be attacked as ignorant, racist, sexist, or privileged.

This has removed from the echo chamber any constructive feedback or checks on extremism.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Well said.


Hope you find some useful resources in the link! I think it's a wealth of good info and well put together.




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