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Trump recognizes Venezuela's opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president

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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Venezuelas issues dont stem from socialist economy... they stem from a dictator and several other outside influences, the US being one of the major players with heavy sanctions.

How could a socialist economy break a nation when it wasnt even given a chance to even start?




posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Their issues relate to socialism destroying their country - not a 'coup' in 2019.


Hmm actually it relates to Venezuala deciding to have the audacity to leave the IMF and world bank and use their own currency based on their oil reserves. Except America once again becomes the world bank's enforcers all it takes is the word socialism and americans are more than happy to get involved in yet more foreign affairs. Can't have countries getting uppity and making their own decisions now...especially such a resource heavy one. It's not like america doesn't have a history of utterly destroying countries that leave the world bank.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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Lol, well I also would need to do a few sacrifices and invite Lucifer into my heart.

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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:04 AM
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That’s basically the Cuban argument.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: UKTruth

Venezuelas issues dont stem from socialist economy... they stem from a dictator and several other outside influences, the US being one of the major players with heavy sanctions.

How could a socialist economy break a nation when it wasnt even given a chance to even start?


Chavez implemented one social policy after another - frittering away the coutries wealth,nationalising industries and ruining them


Following the adoption of a new constitution in 1999, Chávez focused on enacting social reforms as part of the Bolivarian Revolution. Using record-high oil revenues of the 2000s, his government nationalized key industries, created participatory democratic Communal Councils and implemented social programs known as the Bolivarian missions to expand access to food, housing, healthcare and education. Venezuela received high oil profits in the mid-2000s, resulting in temporary improvements in areas such as poverty, literacy, income equality and quality of life occurring primarily between 2003 and 2007, though these gains started to reverse after 2012 and it has been argued that government policies did not address structural inequalities.
According to Bertelsmann Stiftung, Chávez's populist policies eventually led to a severe socioeconomic crisis in Venezuela. On 2 June 2010, Chávez declared an "economic war" due to shortages in Venezuela, beginning the crisis in Bolivarian Venezuela. By the end of Chávez's presidency in the early 2010s, economic actions performed by his government during the preceding decade such as deficit spending and price controls proved to be unsustainable, with Venezuela's economy faltering while poverty, inflation and shortages in Venezuela increased. Chávez's presidency also saw significant increases in the country's murder rate and continued corruption within the police force and government.His use of enabling acts and his government's use of Bolivarian propaganda were also controversial.


Short version : Chavez took the countries money, enacted social programs and incresed govt control over industry, the money ran out, people starved and crime sky rocketed...and here we are with yet another example of why socialism doesn't work.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: dug88

It's funny how all the people defending this move love Trump because he's "anti-Globalist." Yet when push comes to shove Trump is acting like the Globalist b***h boy and they love him for it.
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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Broham, that wasn’t real socialism...
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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Is it the socialism or the dictatorship that ruined Venezuela? Things ran pretty well under Chavez for about a decade. They didn't really go off the rails until Maduro took over. The common theme here isn't the policies but how much power was seized by the President.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

sigh - Trumps just another Obama, Bush, Major - Regime Change.

Why am I not surprised.

Gotta keep the weapons flowing.

The decision was probably made on Wall St before the puppets in Washington march to the tune.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: dug88

It's funny how all the people defending this move love Trump because he's "anti-Globalist." Yet when push comes to shove Trump is acting like the Globalist b***h boy and they love him for it.


What's funnier yet, is watching people who always say "but mah Democracy" upset with Trump for standing with the peoples wants in Venezuela!!!



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: seeker1963

I've never bought in to the whole Russian collusion angle. I did have an issue with Trump's nonchalance over the Russian annexation of Crimea based on a sham referendum.

What were your thoughts on Crimea?



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Xcalibur254

sigh - Trumps just another Obama, Bush, Major - Regime Change.

Why am I not surprised.

Gotta keep the weapons flowing.

The decision was probably made on Wall St before the puppets in Washington march to the tune.


I don't mind that he wants regime change. Just do it without a war.

Maybe we'll see another color revolution or the Venezuela spring.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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Here's a timely article:
Top 5 failed socialist promises: From Lenin to Chavez

The first example directly addresses what happened to Venuezuela.


Hugo Chavez promises universal medical care

When Hugo Chavez came to power in Venezuela in 1998, he promised health care for all. In 1999, he got it written into the Constitution, which stated: "Health is a fundamental social right, an obligation of the State."

Chavez also promised to make wealth more equal, “overcome poverty” and mandate higher wages. He made initial progress in expanding medical care and reducing poverty, which was praised by Americans from Sean Penn to Michael Moore.

However, the success was short-lived. Experts say it was based on using existing wealth rather than creating new wealth.

“He took from the private sector that existed, and enjoyed buoyant oil prices, to buy off the electorate,” said Fergus Hodgson, executive editor of Antigua Report, a Latin American business consulting agency.

“This strategy was great in the short term, but it crushed investment and new businesses. Predictably, when economic activity and oil prices went south, he resorted to printing money, and we all know what has happened.”

By 2018, the Venezuelan health system was a disaster. Hospitals were out of basic medicine, and also without food for children who were starving due to extreme poverty.

Medical care and the economy itself have since fallen into shambles under Chavez successor Nicolas Maduro, sparking widespread protests. The turmoil intensified this week as numerous countries, including the U.S., recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president -- and Maduro responded by saying he's cutting off relations with the U.S.

Amid the crisis, the average Venezuelan has lost 24 pounds due to food shortages. More than 2 million people have fled the country, which was once the wealthiest in South America due to its oil wealth.


It's the age-old problem with socialism: Eventually, you run out of other people's money. And when that happens, the system quickly becomes unsustainable.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: seeker1963

I've never bought in to the whole Russian collusion angle. I did have an issue with Trump's nonchalance over the Russian annexation of Crimea based on a sham referendum.

What were your thoughts on Crimea?

Crimea happened during Obama's watch (2014). If it wasn't important enough for O to do anything, why should we expect it to be Trump's problem?



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Oh look, the US is one again contributing to a coup in a South American country. And people have the audacity to claim that these countries are responsible for their own issues.


Oh look, the rest of the world is weighing in and so too are contributing to a "coup".

Faux outrage is faux pas



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: seeker1963

I've never bought in to the whole Russian collusion angle. I did have an issue with Trump's nonchalance over the Russian annexation of Crimea based on a sham referendum.

What were your thoughts on Crimea?

Crimea happened during Obama's watch (2014). If it wasn't important enough for O to do anything, why should we expect it to be Trump's problem?


And that was bound by the Budapest memorandum .



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 06:30 PM
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China and Russia (especially Russia) are warning the USA to not get involved in Venezuela.

Russia wants a military base in Venezuela, not possible under new leadership.

People in Washington calling the events in Venezuela a matter of US national security.

This could get interesting, quickly...




posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 06:38 PM
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Non-yellow-vest protests are good? Macron hails Venezuela coup attempt as ‘restoration of democracy’
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Emmanuel Macron has praised the “courage” of Venezuelan protesters but fell short of recognizing self-declared “acting president” Juan Guaido. His desire to exert influence on Latin America could back him into a corner in Paris.

“After the illegal election of Nicolas Maduro in 2018, Europe supports the restoration of democracy. I salute the courage of the hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans marching for their freedom,” Emmanuel Macron tweeted in French on his official account.


And he has his own revolution to deal with.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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I do not like this one bit.......

First Citizens elect a guy that that the "Men in Suits" did not want elected....Then you turn citizens against each other.... Then the media pushes stories about how every hates the guy elected... and stories saying the people who voted for the guy are bad and oppressing people........Person who lost election proclaims herself winner..... Men in Suits say they support her and recognize her as legit..... wallah!!!

of course China and the EU.... and the UN and the rest of them like Trump so much they would never take part in something like that....and Hilary would never us scrupulous means to get power..... nor any other democrat



posted on Jan, 27 2019 @ 09:26 PM
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I don't mind that he wants regime change. Just do it without a war.


Of course you wouldn't, I mean why should sovereignty exist at all in your mind. Its presumptuous of me to consider that other Nations have a right to self rule free from interference by agents of another Nation.

Its funny how you author this thread and calling Antifa thugs - and yet here you are defending regime change.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018


It's time to get these masked thugs off of our streets.


Look in the mirror once in a while.




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