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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: narrator
You're arguing that because an illegal immigrant murdered 4 people we need to all drop the petty bickering and build the wall so more of the same can't get into the country, correct?
That, and as I have argued for on this board many times, immigration reform.
Border Patrol wants a wall of some kind to slow the influx down. They need time to respond. A wall does that.
As it stands, there are 50,000 illegals being apprehended per month at the southern border. That's just what they catch. The majority trek through miles of unprotected desert bringing with them diseases, drugs, and children who are oftentimes unaccompanied or with an adult who is NOT the parent for sex trafficking purposes.
Anyone who thinks that the murders in my area are the ONLY issue. They are wrong. Illegal immigrants make up the vast majority of identity theft. So when liberals tell me how virtuous they are, they ignore these very REAL crimes that MANY of these people commit.
ETA: My counterpoint to your argument is...why do those 4 murders mean more than the thousands of murders that citizens commit? In terms of percentage, those 4 aren't nearly as big of an issue as the rest of the murders.
I patently refuse to play this childish "but the numbers are bigger" game with you. There are estimates that put those numbers at 4400 murders committed by illegals in this country per year. Those numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt, admittedly, as they are numbers inferred via data analysis and not a nationwide study.
There were 17 thousand murders committed, TOTAL, in the US by anybody in 2017 according to the FBI. Out of the murders committed illegal immigrants make up nearly 26 percent of the total figure.
I don't know about you. But If I could knock out 26% of murders in my country by streamlining immigration and implementing REAL border security, I would.
For instance, what if new gun legislation could knock out 26% of murders...would you be for it then?
originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: seagull
Well not sure how many people were murdered and land stolen from them and put on a reservation....think they should have some entitlements
The genocide started at least as far back as the 1500's, though any ill gotten land grabs...think should be considered for reclamation...not to mention all the gold looted.
if the territory is not in dispute in the last 200 or so years and stolen from anyone...think everyone should be allowed to stay...
Not sure what part that would be...like stealing Iraq,..
be nice to have a united america, both north and south, what happen to utopia?
some draft dodgers cannot get out of the USA heading south and have to go north to Canada