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How can anyone say, with a straight face, that the shutdown is not the Democrats fault?

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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Government gas too much power. This shutdown proves that




posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
How can anyone say, with a straight face, that the shutdown is not the Democrats fault? Uh, because it's true. Democrats should stand firm on wasting taxpayer money, doing that which serves little to no public good. Donald is the problem. He is bullying those on Capitol Hill hoping to satisfy those in his base that have a delusional belief that a wall will make their southern border more secure. Not to mention that $5.7 billion would be but a down payment on the real cost which would exceed $23 billion. Massively dumb. Why not ask the Chinese how the wall worked out for them when Genghis Khan and the Mongols invaded China, taking it over? I guess Donald's base think Latin Americans are less intelligent than Mongols. But the real issue is whether there is a crisis or not along our southern border. And that one is easy... of course not. Only in the minds of racists does one exist. White. Mostly rural or Fox News viewers. For those who believe the drivel that spews from alt-right media, educate yourselves. Elevate your mind and learn who the real enemy is, for they control nearly every aspect of your life. And you can bet it is not Latinos causing your hardships.


Tell all the American families who’ve lost their loved ones there is no crisis at the southern border. Tell them to educate themselves. Tell them to learn who their real enemy is. You think we care about a measly $5bil? How much did the house pass for foreign aid? Tell the young Central American females who make the trip the ravages by their own kind isn’t a crisis. I bet you wouldn’t have the stones.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 11:26 PM
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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: UKTruth

How can you say this isn't Trumps fault? He had both houses and still went through with the shutdown like a spoiled petulant child. HOW DARE YOU suggest that this is the democrats fault. This is Trump and McConnell's fault ENTIRELY you repugnant slime mongerer.


Lol, you seem tense.



posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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This is Trumps shutdown, he said so.

Stop calling the President a liar.




posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Theyy

The President said he was "Proud to close the government for BORDER SECURITY."

What are the democrats keeping the government close for?

Trump just extended two major olive branches in 2 weeks. Dems said no.

Ball is in their court dude.



posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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All the OP proves is that we have an issue. We have lot's of issues in the US that need to be fixed. But shutting down the government to spite the "other" side is always wrong. Childish. It's all Trump at this point. Anyone that shuts down the government because they don't get their political way is just throwing a temper tantrum. Mature adults don't do this.



posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Theyy

The President said he was "Proud to close the government for BORDER SECURITY."

What are the democrats keeping the government close for?

Trump just extended two major olive branches in 2 weeks. Dems said no.

Ball is in their court dude.


But still it's ultimately Trump. I'm okay with more border security, but you can see the problem here. Any president can shut the government down, because the other side disagrees with him. That's childish. Open the government and let's fight this issue out like we always do in government. But not like a child throwing a temper tantrum.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:43 AM
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That's what this ultimately is. A showdown between the executive and legislative branches.

However, the powers being flexed by both sides are the exact ones they are to SUPPOSED have and SUPPOSED to flex. Neither side is abusing their powers. Just using them the way the Constitution foresaw they would and having a power match.

The animosity they are showing for each other is what is unprecedented.

Never before have the two sides been so incapable of agreeing that they let it go this far.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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Yep chuckie could of spoke up like a man & said dont do it sir. But nope he didnt care.
areply to: Sookiechacha



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: FrostyFlakes
Yep chuckie could of spoke up like a man & said dont do it sir. But nope he didnt care.
areply to: Sookiechacha



I think it is settled now anyway - The democrats refused a bill that would fund the wages of the 800k workers. It's now ALL on Pelosi and Schumer.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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I think the founders envisioned a wiser populace to prevent shizt like this.

Maybe we could just use last years budget ratio while the 2 branches fight it out??



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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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Open the government and let's fight this issue out like we always do in government


Reagan did that and 30 years later his dead ass is still waiting for border security.

"Do it like we always do" is over now.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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There a senate vote today today that will pass paying the 800k folks....that Trump will sign after House signs....i guess is how it works. Kicks the can till feb 8th.


a reply to: UKTruth



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: amazing




Open the government and let's fight this issue out like we always do in government


Reagan did that and 30 years later his dead ass is still waiting for border security.

"Do it like we always do" is over now.


That's why we need third party candidates and new blood, who are willing to not vote along party lines. Shutting down the government is not the answer either though.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: amazing

I'd say a permanent and more widespread shut down of the govt is the best answer. Shut it all down. I'd be surprised if any more than 20% added a shred of value (excluding military).

edit on 24/1/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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This shut down is not just the democrats fault, but that of the President and the Republicans as well.

In December of 2018, there was a funding bill that was sent to Trump, to sign that would have been a stop gap, and he refused to sign it and in short it started this shut down.

So in Jan, when the new Congress was seated, the House sent several bills over to the Senate that would restart the government, yet McConnell, will not bring them up for a vote, or even consier the option of having a vote and then a revote if necessary.

In a negotiation, you put forth several options, and usually one would put forth one option that you know the other side is not going to go for and then have a second option, that would seem better. It is the second option that is what is wanted. So in short, Trump wants the wall, however, offers nothing concrete in return, that would make it worth it for the Democrats to budge, and ultimately what he is offering, his base is not going to back, and even those in congress are bulking at, when it appears that it may show some headway.

So who is at fault? Trump, he said he would own it, so now he has to own it. McConnell who will not bring forth bills to the floor of the senate to vote on or debate on, standing with another branch of the government, which he should not, due to the fact that the Congress has to be a check and a balance on the President.

So it is not just the Democrats, it is both the Legislative and the Executive branch that is at fault for this, and causing a far greater problem.




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