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How can anyone say, with a straight face, that the shutdown is not the Democrats fault?

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posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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Well maybe taking the liar in chief at his own word? Lol

m.youtube.com...



a reply to: UKTruth




posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: soundguy

He shut it down for border security. But Democrats are keeping it closed.

Congress is responsible for bringing legislation to the president. Until they can bring him legislation that secures the border then I guess this shut down continues.

Keep being a pigeon. You're quite good at it.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DanDanDat

Why Trump Isn’t Taking Democrats’ Offer For A Wall - February 2018


Democrats in Congress have offered to provide billions of dollars ($25 billion over 10 years) for one of his signature campaign proposals: a wall (or something akin to it) along the U.S.-Mexico border. But in exchange, they want a provision that would grant protection from deportation and create a path to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.


I like to read the sorce material when reading opinion blog posts like the one you linked too. In the first link in the blog (linked in the text you quoted)

New York Times

From the Times; what happened last February can hardly be described as Trump alone rejecting the deal ... or as you put it "Trump didn't want it ... so no wall"


WASHINGTON — The Senate summarily blocked three measures on Thursday — including one backed by President Trump — to resolve the fate of the so-called Dreamers, leaving hundreds of thousands of them facing an uncertain future.



In a rebuke to the president, senators voted overwhelmingly, 39 to 60, against the White House-backed bill, which would have committed $25 billion for a wall along the border with Mexico, placed strict limits on legal immigration, ended the diversity visa lottery and offered 1.8 million Dreamers an eventual path to citizenship.



The votes were a stark reminder that Congress remains paralyzed by the immigration issue. Former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush both tried to overhaul the system, but were stymied by lawmakers frozen into inaction, in part because of powerful interests on both sides.


You are also clearly wrong when you make the revisionist statement "The Democrats offered everything Trump wanted and more"


It would have appropriated $25 billion for border security, including construction of the president’s proposed wall, over a 10-year period — but not immediately, as Mr. Trump demands.

It also included an eventual path to citizenship, over 10 to 12 years, for 1.8 million of the young undocumented immigrants, but would have precluded them from sponsoring their parents to become citizens. And it did not make changes to the diversity visa lottery system, which Mr. Trump wants to end.


The time period you are referring to is simply the predisesor to the current showdown in Congress now. It was not some kumbia moment that the president walk away from as you are making it out to be.


White House officials are betting that House passage of a bill to protect the Dreamers will put enormous pressure on Democrats in the Senate. But immigrant rights activists and Democrats — and some Republicans in the Senate — have repeatedly vowed to oppose the House legislation, which they call outrageous and hurtful.

That could leave the issue mired in stalemate as neither chamber can embrace legislation that the other chamber is willing to pass.


You shouldn't practice revisionist history; it only detracts from your overall argument.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Trump had his chance when the GOP held both houses of congress. Now he gets no wall.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: links234

Ok ....

edit on 19-1-2019 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DanDanDat

Trump had his chance when the GOP held both houses of congress. Now he gets no wall.


It needed 60 votes in the Senate. But expecting you guys to actually be informed before you post isn't realistic.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DanDanDat

Why Trump Isn’t Taking Democrats’ Offer For A Wall - February 2018


Democrats in Congress have offered to provide billions of dollars ($25 billion over 10 years) for one of his signature campaign proposals: a wall (or something akin to it) along the U.S.-Mexico border. But in exchange, they want a provision that would grant protection from deportation and create a path to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.


I like to read the sorce material when reading opinion blog posts like the one you linked too. In the first link in the blog (linked in the text you quoted)

New York Times

From the Times; what happened last February can hardly be described as Trump alone rejecting the deal ... or as you put it "Trump didn't want it ... so no wall"


WASHINGTON — The Senate summarily blocked three measures on Thursday — including one backed by President Trump — to resolve the fate of the so-called Dreamers, leaving hundreds of thousands of them facing an uncertain future.



In a rebuke to the president, senators voted overwhelmingly, 39 to 60, against the White House-backed bill, which would have committed $25 billion for a wall along the border with Mexico, placed strict limits on legal immigration, ended the diversity visa lottery and offered 1.8 million Dreamers an eventual path to citizenship.



The votes were a stark reminder that Congress remains paralyzed by the immigration issue. Former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush both tried to overhaul the system, but were stymied by lawmakers frozen into inaction, in part because of powerful interests on both sides.


You are also clearly wrong when you make the revisionist statement "The Democrats offered everything Trump wanted and more"


It would have appropriated $25 billion for border security, including construction of the president’s proposed wall, over a 10-year period — but not immediately, as Mr. Trump demands.

It also included an eventual path to citizenship, over 10 to 12 years, for 1.8 million of the young undocumented immigrants, but would have precluded them from sponsoring their parents to become citizens. And it did not make changes to the diversity visa lottery system, which Mr. Trump wants to end.


The time period you are referring to is simply the predisesor to the current showdown in Congress now. It was not some kumbia moment that the president walk away from as you are making it out to be.


White House officials are betting that House passage of a bill to protect the Dreamers will put enormous pressure on Democrats in the Senate. But immigrant rights activists and Democrats — and some Republicans in the Senate — have repeatedly vowed to oppose the House legislation, which they call outrageous and hurtful.

That could leave the issue mired in stalemate as neither chamber can embrace legislation that the other chamber is willing to pass.


You shouldn't practice revisionist history; it only detracts from your overall argument.


Over the 10 year period is the key part. They didn't appropriate the money he wanted. They basically told him, grant all these Dreamers amnesty, and we pinky swear we'll put funding for the wall in the appropriations bills the next 10 years.

And the people that believe this actually means the Democrats tried to compromise with him think they're smart.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump said, recorded on video, prior to the shutdown, that he would shut down the government if he didn't get funding for the wall.
please review the section from from the 1:32 to 1:45 of this video and ask yourself who is the one who shut down the government.

How could anyone, rationally, blame anyone else?

The Democrats want better border security (the content of the OP's video). The wall is futile in achieving that.

Build that moat!




So if Trump says it, it’s true! Got it.


He has to say something right sometimes. Law of averages.




posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:44 PM
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If I didn’t see it with my own eyes, I’d think I was having a hallucination.
The wall is circus politics that have dominated the news headlines for the past year.

Ok everyone stay focused on the Wall in front of you while our wallets are being picked clean.
Its a at least a 15 year project.
edit on 19-1-2019 by madenusa because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

News flash. The last one was too. They didnt want to give the GOP credit for the ideas they ran with as their own just a few months later. Nothing new.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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The Dems are never going to budge on the wall.

To them the wall is so much more than just a "barrier" (as Clinton calls it), it's a symbol. And, to them it is symbolic of defeat. Sure, some will tunnel under it, and others will try to breach it, but far fewer than those who just walk across now.

Most of the Illegal migrants who cross the border don't have TV's, they don't watch the nightly news, they don't understand the political firestorm taking place over the wall. They just know this is the land of opportunity from their perspective. The wall serves as a giant "KEEP OUT" (unless you come through the 'gate' legally) sign. All those people who see the wall will realize the country is serious about illegal immigration.

The Great Wall of China was as much symbolic as it ever was tactical. On one side was "China", and on the other side was "everyone else BUT China", it didn't matter who. Same thing here.

The democrats can't stand this notion...because there are millions of potential voters for them on the other side of that wall. The very last thing they want is a great big "KEEP OUT" sign on the southern border. And, if it ever gets built, it will be symbolic of their hollow promises all along, symbolic of their defeat.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Jesus. Trump started this off by owning that any shut down he would be happy to do. The shutdown began before the Democrats took the majority in the House, December 22, just before Christmas. Republicans and Democrats tried to end the shutdown multiple times in an bipartisan effort but Mitch McTurtle shot those and any future attempts down.

But of course, conservatives, even foreign ones such as yourself, can never take responsibility and must always blame Democrats.

How pathetic.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump said, recorded on video, prior to the shutdown, that he would shut down the government if he didn't get funding for the wall.
please review the section from from the 1:32 to 1:45 of this video and ask yourself who is the one who shut down the government.

How could anyone, rationally, blame anyone else?

The Democrats want better border security (the content of the OP's video). The wall is futile in achieving that.

Build that moat!




So if Trump says it, it’s true! Got it.


He has to say something right sometimes. Law of averages.



And it’s you who gets to determine which is right. Yup, got it.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 03:16 PM
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So.. let me get this straight. Trump gives one option.. ONE. Either give me my wall, or no other deal can be made. And it's someone else's fault? That's not how the American government is supposed to work. Checks and balances - there is a reason there is such a ridiculous amount of red tape and pushback over so many issues for so many decades. Annoying as hell, sure... but it's there for a reason.


At least he has given a rational as to why we need better border protection. The only reason why the democrats are refusing to pass a bill is shear politics. Only a few years ago they said the exact same thing Trump is saying now. The only difference, is that its Trump saying it. So yes, it is very easily on them. And no, this has nothing to do with "checks and balances". No one is trying to overstep their authority. Nice try though....



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: UKTruth

Jesus. Trump started this off by owning that any shut down he would be happy to do. The shutdown began before the Democrats took the majority in the House, December 22, just before Christmas. Republicans and Democrats tried to end the shutdown multiple times in an bipartisan effort but Mitch McTurtle shot those and any future attempts down.

But of course, conservatives, even foreign ones such as yourself, can never take responsibility and must always blame Democrats.

How pathetic.





But of course, [Liberals], even [opinionated] ones such as yourself, can never take responsibility and must always blame [literally everybody else].


There. fixed it.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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In terms of the long game: if the dems shoot the wall down, and then a terrorist gets a biological weapon across and kills people with it, that could be the end of the dems.


Right now the Mexican Cartels are in charge of who crosses and who doesn't. Which means they can ask whatever they want from the USA in exchange for their protection.

Do you want Cartels to be in a position to demand things from us? Does that make you feel safe?
edit on 19-1-2019 by bloodymarvelous because: grammar



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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Because terrorists and drug suppliers don't get stuff in through road, sea or air already?
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posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Like I have been saying, demonrats and Liberals on overall were until a few years ago on board with stopping illegal immigration... Until they realized they could use "certain illegal immigrants" (those who mostly lean left-wing) to drown the votes of conservatives and people in the U.S. who vote right-wing.


edit on 19-1-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: MrPlow
I don't know how anyone can keep a straight face and make this thread. I'd really like to take a look at the kool-aid they're feeding you over there in backwards right wing fantasy land.

1) He had to two years to make this happen. The mother#er was even offered 25+ billion to do it.
2) Now that the heat is getting closer and closer to his lying ass and his criminal administration, all of the sudden its a crisis.? PFFTTTT Please...what's even funnier is you so called cynics here on a conspiracy forum think this is totally legit? Cracks me the # up. Ya know what this is called? A #ing smoke screen. Propaganda 101 #. And you genius' can't even see it. Trump is literally the real deal swamp in action right here, sitting on your face and wiggling and you people can't even admit it. LMAO
3) Spin it however you want, he proudly said he would shut it down and proudly owned the responsibility for it.
4) Mitch McConnell is stopping a bill from passing because all of the sudden, he's afraid to stand up to a President.
5) A wall matters about 0% to Trump. What DOES matter to him is that this stays prime time, festering so he can look like some kind of real deal maker like he suckered you all into believing he was. Because that's what you are...SUCKERS


I'll tell you this. Some of these losers posting alt right crap on ATS are paid minimum wage to do so. The other half love Trump and his trickle down economy. They got their 500 dollar cut and think they will get more. As you say, Trump had every brunch of government and never mentioned the wall. He lost the house and all of the sudden he brings up the wall. You can't argue with these btainwashed hicks.




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