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Religion is dying; does it need replacing?

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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: spacemanjupiter

And that is the problem with people like you. You seem to believe that "only you" and others like you can know what God/Elohim is. But the truth is NO ONE truly knows God/Elohim completely. Those who claim to know have a very large ego, instead of being "enlightened."


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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Yet another person who claims that only them are "not ignorant," that only "them" are "enlightened." No one knows everything, so in fact, we are all very much "ignorant." To claim any different is to simply have a huge ego and nothing else...



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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 07:34 PM
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You’ve pretty much highlighted the problem with faith-based religions; faith is not an all-encompassing, naturally humanistic approach to enlightenment - it is constrained along one particular and personal path toward an individual’s view on their particular faith. Therefore, however much one is personally altruistic and ‘good’, their faith is divisive and in conflict with all others.

The problem with this is that most people don’t want conflict in their lives, especially when they probably have plenty enough of that with their friends and family, career and provision for their loved ones.

Perhaps religion is blindly killing itself?



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: TerraLiga

Faith is not the problem, humanity is. Which in itself is not really a problem. How boring would it be if we all were exactly the same, robots with no individual personality.

If "faith/religions" were the problem, then why is it that in the 20th and 21st century the belief that has murdered and imprisoned the most people is an atheistic system?

Communism, as it was originally envisioned, is an atheistic system. Yet it has murdered over 110 million people, and imprisoned millions more, including imprisoning and murdering people for being religious.

Communism itself is not the only "atheistic system/belief" which has caused suffering and death. As an example the "Red Terror" that occurred in Spain in 1936 was caused by almost all of the left in Spain back then. It wasn't just communists, or just socialists. It was almost all of the left, except to a lesser extend the basque people, who turned against "religious people and capitalists."

The left back then murdered almost 8,000 of the clergy in Spain, apart for up to a bit over 172,000 people. Even though we might never know the true number of people murdered, since the people the "left" captured were executed and buried in unmarked mass graves all over Spain. The "left" also destroyed or desecrated churches, and they destroyed religious statues all over Spain. Religious people in Spain back then outnumbered the left, but people, religious and capitalists, were terrified of the left. And this occurred only in a few months. If Franco hadn't appeared the "Red Terror" of Spain would have been a thousand times worse.

That isn't the only example, there have been many other "Red Terrors" throughout the world.

So, if it was "religion" who was causing so much suffering, and conflict, then why is it that "atheism" has the worse history on oppression and murder in the world?


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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
Why is Islamic religion the "go to" moral religious pathway?



They probably know healthcare won't be affordable when/if they ever made it to "aged"... Or whatever the elderly won't take offense to.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are You referring to this Elohim? With Affiliation w/LDS-Mormons?

www.youtube.com...


I've also sent You a PM.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are You referring to this Elohim? With Affiliation w/LDS-Mormons?

www.youtube.com...


I've also sent You a PM.


It isn't just in Mormonism that God is referred to as Elohim. In the original Hebrew Elohim is the word from which "God" was translated from.

hebrew4christians.com...


1:1 First Reading
In the beginning God created heaven and earth.
Bere# bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.
1:2 The earth was without form and empty, with darkness on the face of the depths, but God's spirit moved on the water's surface.
Veha'arets hayetah tohu vavohu vechoshech al-peney tehom veruach Elohim merachefet al-peney hamayim.
1:3 God said, 'There shall be light,' and light came into existence.
Vayomer Elohim yehi-or vayehi-or.
1:4 God saw that the light was good, and God divided between the light and the darkness.
Vayar Elohim et-ha'or ki-tov vayavdel Elohim beyn ha'or uveyn hachoshech.
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bible.ort.org...


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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 08:21 PM
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I’m wary of combining politics and religion into a binary system. Religion exists to a greater or lesser extent under all political systems. True, communism repels religious belief to exert complete power over its people, so finding religion in those States would be more difficult.

Both politics and religion kill, but they are not exclusive to each other and they kill for very different reasons - one for control and the other for intolerance.

But you are correct in one sense; that religion doesn’t kill per se, but the religious. My mistake.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: TerraLiga
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But you are correct in one sense; that religion doesn’t kill per se, but the religious. My mistake.


If that was true, then there would be billions of people murdered all over the world. That isn't true. Jesus Christ came back to show a different path. He did believe in self defense, except his own defense because he knew what happened to him had to occur.

Look, I do not know everything. Nobody does. But if what Elohim has shown me is true, "free will" only exists to a lesser extense. The spark that Elohim gave us, and is in each of us, made the choice a long time ago. It's just that sometimes we keep getting backtracked due to our individuality. But even then at the end it all is, or seems to to me, pre-determined. But like I wrote, that is only what Elohim has shown me. I could have interpret it wrong.

Elohim shows himself to everyone in one way or another. You just have to look. Some people prefer not to believe even when a miracle happens right in front of them.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: TerraLiga

Like i said, it isn't just communism that has done so much damage. The socialists in the revolution of Cuba also caused a lot of suffering. Camilo Cienfuegos was a socialist, and when fidel told him to capture and execute other socialists, he followed the orders. There were many socialists who were complaining about the communists the castro brothers were allowing to join in the "socialist revolution," and fidel ordered their detention and "revolutionary trials" which were no real trials at all like Che Guevara explained.

The left in Spain's Red Terror were not all "communists." There were many other branches of the left who did the same atrocities. Including socialists, anarchists and many other left-wing branches.


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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Jesus himself throughout the bible says he is God.


Absolutely not.

Many hindu's in the state of samadhi pronounce that they are one with their God as well. It's because they see God as the matrix of the universe. In samadhi they are one with that matrix (in that state there is no spiritual separation), That's not to say they are the matrix (they only a small part of it). Jewish Kabbalah has a very similar concept to Hinduism. That God and the creation are one. In Kabbalah they have the sefirot. By opening the channels in the sefirot (Hindu chakras) any person can aspire to be one with the Father. But its no easy task. Jesus when he walked the desert was able to shred all egoism to be one with the Father.

Jesus never stated "I AM GOD". That is something that Rome pushed with the trinity.



But Jesus also mentions himself 88 times in the bible as being the son of man.


In Ezekiel, "son of man" simply means, "human being".



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: glend

Absolutely not.


Here we go again... Even though i showed you an example you want to "force" YOUR view...


John 1:18

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

www.biblehub.com...

You keep only showing ignorance of what you claim about Christianity.


originally posted by: glend
Many hindu's in the state of samadhi pronounce that they are one with their God as well. It's because they see God as the matrix of the universe. I
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Jesus never stated "I AM GOD". That is something that Rome pushed with the trinity.
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John 8:56–59
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56 w Your father Abraham x rejoiced y that he would see my day. z He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”5 58 Jesus said to them,Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, a I am.” 59 So bthey picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

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The Jewish people present threw stones at Jesus because he proclaimed to be himself God/Elohim in that statement.

Jesus mentions himself as "I AM," which is a covenant of the God of Israel. When Jesus states "I AM" he is stating he is Elohim. The plurality of Elohim.



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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: TerraLiga



Perhaps religion is blindly killing itself?

Before Christianity, people had Paganism as their connection to Earth magic and closeness to nature. It was a natural way to live and spirituality was a way of life.

Now the Church has made such a mess of tending its sheep, by sending out wolves in sheep's clothing, that people are turning their backs. The greatest damage is, that people have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, and now people no longer have any spiritual connection.

The reality of life is about Angels and Demons and no matter wether you believe it or not, it will affect your lives. It doesn’t go away just because of your ignorance.

Don’t be fooled into the predictive programming regarding AI. AI is a computer program and nothing more. It will never possess a spirit, but can easily made to appear like that, maybe an Avenging God… but don’t forget the man behind the curtain who controls it.

If Religion does not work for you, search somewhere else, because it is there and it is overwhelmingly powerful.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: TerraLiga
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But you are correct in one sense; that religion doesn’t kill per se, but the religious. My mistake.


If that was true, then there would be billions of people murdered all over the world. That isn't true.


Apologies, I was correcting a statement I made earlier, but that correction wasn’t clear, so to clarify, the religious are killing religion due to their inability to accept common themes in each of their philosophies. If they united around those common goals and ideals I think people would be more accepting of religion in this more modern and informative world.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: glend
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In Ezekiel, "son of man" simply means, "human being".


He is both a human being, and Elohim.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: TerraLiga

Are we killing each other because we have different beliefs?

Are we killing each other because we can't find a common ground in our understanding nature of the divine/God?



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: TerraLiga

Like i said, it isn't just communism that has done so much damage. The socialists in the revolution of Cuba also caused a lot of suffering. Camilo Cienfuegos was a socialist, and when fidel told him to capture and execute other socialists, he followed the orders. There were many socialists who were complaining about the communists the castro brothers were allowing to join in the "socialist revolution," and fidel ordered their detention and "revolutionary trials" which were no real trials at all like Che Guevara explained.

The left in Spain's Red Terror were not all "communists." There were many other branches of the left who did the same atrocities. Including socialists, anarchists and many other left-wing branches.


Yes, but like I said politics and religion are not binary systems, they can and do exist with each other.

The politics of the far Left (socialism and communism) rely on State control, so religion cannot fit into those regimes comfortably, if at all. Those political systems depend on the surrender to the State to supply everything you need, so religion is surplus to requirements. Some regimes enforce this vigorously, others do not.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: TerraLiga

Religion isn't dying at all. It is PEOPLE themselves who are dying (spiritually).
Christianity is growing fast in many other countries, especially China!

The communist government there have already died spiritually.

They allow Christian and other religions churches to be built, and then many of them are then bulldozed by government officials on the day of completion.

People see this evil in governments and they long for spiritual freedom. They congregate in secret to worship Christ in China, and other countries with similarly spiritually corrupted leadership. This can only end bad in a physical sense for everyone.




posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: TerraLiga

Are we killing each other because we have different beliefs?

Are we killing each other because we can't find a common ground in our understanding nature of the divine/God?

I don’t necessarily mean we are killing each other, although that does happen. What I mean is that people who have not subscribed to anything yet may see all religions fighting with each other for the ultimate Truth.

Many of those people in todays societies choose not to get involved in the constant bickering and choose not to choose religion as their faith. They look for something else else.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I agree, and the research agrees with that too. Post-communist States (and Africa) have the highest religious growth rates in the world, but the rest of the world is declining in Christ-based religions. Only Islam is growing universally.

Like in any controlled system, when that grip is released even slightly then natural states start to take over, and as humanity is constantly searching for faith in something, religion will make up part of that searching.







 
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