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posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

Then you can borrow against it probably cost you 5% plus some fees.


Oh yeah. Losing 5%+ of money you worked for on top of the taxes taken out.

What a great solution.


I'm sorry. As u can see I don't respond or anything often... Although I am massively involved in the "digging" some of u put out... But this whole government shutdown thing is just like c'mon!! Yes there are a fair amount of government workers that we need and for them I hope they can make it thru this "show"..
But honestly the other 75% are just over-paid, bloated wastes of time. Both parties are just living life to the fullest...While we just sit back and fund it.. They tell u they're in their fighting for YOU!! LOL....
When will enough wake up and take back the country from this ilk??? When can we get enough good people..GOOD PEOPLE...Meaning people that would rather spend your tax dollars on the homeless...the education of our children....the welfare of you and yours...not the Corporations and the fat cats.... When will we ever get enough SMART people in there?

Children growing up today are being let down by their schools....Felt up by their peers..."kidnapped" by THEM.. You know who they are..Why do you think that is happening??? Follow the clues.....

Ignore THEIR NOISE!!!! If you can drown it out you will then see the 2 faces of the same coin...
Avoid pills...Figure out a natural method...
We are meat.....Look at the system....We are fed poison daily.....Which they then have to "heal"....Which NEVER CAN HAPPEN...It's a wheel...It's a machine....We are just cattle.....
edit on 17-1-2019 by Sage2000 because: Totally space out and forgot




posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 08:07 PM
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This:

news.ycombinator.com...

Read the comments...



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

Several things: In all of my years, I have only met 1 really essential person. And in the federal government, apart from the President, Vice President and the congress, and the rest is nonessential. They can be replaced, at the while and whim of the government, at any time.

So all of the things that we enjoy, that the federal government runs, well those people can be replaced. And if they decide to resign in mass numbers, it would affect the country. Do you honestly think that if the whole of the workers at the TSA decides to say leave, that the flights would continue? No they would shut down. How about the mail? How long does anyone think or believe that those classified as essential are going to continue to work and not see a pay check?

1 month may be a difficulty, they are paid well, but 2 months, it can pretty much be a situation where quitting is an option and seek employment elsewhere, in the private sector and where they may not make as much, but will have experience that would allow for them to get a higher starting salary.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

Here is the problem, and that is that the laws, banks, rules and regulations. What you are suggesting could run afoul of several different laws, both at the state and federal levels. That and the fact that it could be considered a form of usury, something that most banks tend to avoid. Payday loan establishments and other businesses in that aspect tend to operate on a different set of laws, rather than the banks and are under higher scrutiny. And most banks are not going to want to get into that at all.

This is why most banks are not in the payday lending business, leaving that risk for another business set.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:34 PM
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Actually, just got a note from a mortgage underwriter that FreddieMac is allowing banks to still close mortgage loans to furloughed government workers.... normally, they'd be SOL.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1
Since Trump has already signed a bill guaranteeing back pay to all government workers effected by the shutdown you can go to the bank and borrow against that money.

Even if you have bad credit and not even god or loan sharks will loan you money .

You can set up through your bank that they will receive your back pay directly to them so they are guaranteed their money back.

Then you can borrow against it probably cost you 5% plus some fees.

So you guys can just sit on your ass at home and still get paid.

You are welcome


Actually credit unions will foot the money knowing they will get paid. Federal worker not part of a CU and live week to week..sucks to be you... I say that with the understanding that THEY SHOULD BE PART OF A CU AND NOT LIVE PAY DAY TO PAY DAY. Sucks when they feel the pain of a private worker...



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig
The airlines managed to fly before TSA was created. Do you honestly believe there is a leader to be found amongst the TSA employees that will manage to unite them to the point of leaving as a mass?

Did the airlines shut down when Reagan fired 10k air traffic controllers?



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 07:12 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

You do realize that this isn't just affecting people that work at places like the Department of Education, right? This is the first time in its entire history that servicemen in the Coast Guard have not been paid.

Or do you not consider the armed forces a deal job?

These are people that already get paid way less than they deserve and are often living paycheck to paycheck. Funny, I thought Trump was supposed to be pro-military. This shutdown is going to hurt them the most and Trump won't even budge enough to make sure they get paid on time.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

In 1981, when the air traffic controllers did an illegal act, and yes according to the law, it was illegal, it did cause a large amount of problems at the airports. Flights were heavily delayed, if not cancelled. Then President Reagan, first ordered the workers back to work, and when they did not, they were fired, however, the entire air traffic was still slowed down. In the effort to get things back going, he had the military and supervisors, take the helm and fill those positions until new workers were found. There were consequences for those actions, however, what should be noted, is that those 11 thousand workers were being paid, and there was no TSA at all.

Now there are far more in the federal government than 1981, and it would be a bit harder for the government to just simply get people in to do the job.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 01:08 PM
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don't go to "work"

simple, easy



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: eXia7
Or.... get a real job


So the Coast guard and Border Patrol are not real jobs In your opinion?



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: underwerks

Then you can borrow against it probably cost you 5% plus some fees.


Oh yeah. Losing 5%+ of money you worked for on top of the taxes taken out.

What a great solution.


Uhm except they are not working for it.


Tell that to the air traffic controllers who still show up every day for work without getting paid. Or the majority of the 800,000 Americans that are out of work because of this and are still required to show up.


Then... Plan B

Get a real job!!! Not one that has the ability to get dropped every single year's end. They have LESS of a chance of losing their job/money than your run of the mill contractor.


I suggest plan B



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: eXia7

You do realize that this isn't just affecting people that work at places like the Department of Education, right? This is the first time in its entire history that servicemen in the Coast Guard have not been paid.

Or do you not consider the armed forces a deal job?

These are people that already get paid way less than they deserve and are often living paycheck to paycheck. Funny, I thought Trump was supposed to be pro-military. This shutdown is going to hurt them the most and Trump won't even budge enough to make sure they get paid on time.



Need the number to Polisi's offices? You really should rally people up to push her to get this wall funded, then. Otherwise, she's just as wrong as she claims Trump to be for it.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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How many of you same folks were upset when oilfield workers lost their jobs a few years ago in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!?



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig
Yes, there was a slowdown for a day before he fired them for striking but the airlines had contingency plans then and there is no reason to think they don't have those plans today. Back then the Dems were screeching bloody murder just like they are going bananas today. And yet, life went on. Planes took off and landed safely despite the "tyranny" of Reagan in firing them.

Congress needs to do their job so all the other government workers can do their jobs. Pass a budget. Who knows? If they did that simple thing it might raise their approval ratings to something above single digits?



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 05:49 PM
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Trump has now ordered TSA officials to not talk about the government shutdown. odd...

www.rawstory.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: diggindirt

This is all Trump, and the republicans.

Lets review: In the past 2 years, the Republicans held the majority in both houses of Congress, that did not need any Democrat to approve of. So a bill for the wall could have been brought up, voted on, approved of, sailed through the House of Reps, and then McConnell, in the Senate could have used the Nuclear rule to get passed through the Senate, and thus Trump would have his wall, fully funded. But it was not an emergency then, and ignored.

Up until Jan, 2019, the republicans had the majority. They passed a budget through both chambers of congress, and it was not signed by Trump, and in short that is when the current shutdown started, December 2018. So if congress passed a funding bill, and Trump decided not to sign it, shutting it down, then who is to blame again?


Even now, the House passes bills to restart the government, and McConnell does not bring it to the floor of the Senate to vote on. So where is the stalling again? Seems like the only ones who are not wanting to restart the government is Trump and the Republicans.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: notsure1


This isn't a solution, it's a Band-Aid.




of course it is a band-aid. it's a temporary solution for a temporary problem. but there is a much better and actual solution for the future IF they feel like doing so. most of those affected are unionized. as such their unions should as soon as this shutdown is over do what they should have done long ago to protect their workers. and that is to create a shutdown fund. just as unions create strike funds so that their workers can get at least partial pay during a strike or lockout. and in this case they can set it up in such a way that such funds that are paid out can be garnished from the workers back wages once they get paid (as they always have been to this point). that would protect workers during future shut downs, which are pretty much guaranteed to happen in the future, just like this one was pretty much guaranteed to happen at some point if not now it would have happened in the future. but of course that would require the unions to be more interested in protecting and working for their workers and not as invested in political games. after all if they had been putting their workers first and had adequately set up such a fund long before now, they would not be able to scream and whine about the poor workers being hurt. which is a political tool that is being relied on to give those causing the shutdown (namely the democrats) more support.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Trump has now ordered TSA officials to not talk about the government shutdown. odd...

www.rawstory.com...


Is this like your "VA Nurses" lie about the shutdown that doesn't affect the VA?

Can you tell me what possible TACTICAL reasoning might be behind this:

CNN Source

Washington (CNN)Top Transportation Security Administration management has instructed key agency officials at airports around the country to not make details public about how many officers are missing work due to the partial government shutdown, according to an internal email obtained exclusively by CNN.


Why wouldn't we want to broadcast those numbers? You tell me, Mr. Veteran or did you forget what OPSEC means?

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posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig
Take off your partisan glasses. Nothing can be blamed solely on either party because they're complicit in this debacle just as they are with every other serious issue. They don't want to solve any of the real problems because they would both lose their talking points. If you can't see that, you're not facing reality. Reviewing two years isn't even comical since this mess has been going on since Reagan.

None of them are doing their job or we would have a budget. Only crazy, broke people believe that lack of a budget is no big deal. Neither party likes Trump because he's trying to get things done and that would take away their talking points.



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