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5D chess: Is Trump using the shutdown to fire deep-state federal employees?

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posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Edumakated




Damn near 1 million people not working in government right now and the world has not stopped spinning. The sun rose and the moon shines bright.


Wait till you see the economic numbers for January/1st quarter.
White House More Than Doubling The Shutdown's Negative Impact On The Economy


Trump administration officials now say that the government shutdown is having more than twice the negative impact on the economy than they first estimated. Amazingly, but maybe not surprising, it seems the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors did not include contractors not being paid (and who probably won’t receive retroactive payments) or the ripple effect on the economy such as restaurant meals not being taken or movies seen or the greater personal impacts of not having money to buy food, pay rent or have to sell a car.


Kevin Hassett, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers...told media outlets on Tuesday that the shutdown should reduce economic growth by 0.13 percentage points for every week that it lasts vs. the 0.1 percentage points every two weeks it originally projected.
Forbes

Yeah, this is going to hurt like hell..

In the first quarter of 2018, the Federal government was directly responsible for $1.3 trillion of the economy’s $20 trillion (6.5% on an annualized basis). While only about 20% of the government is shut down, this portion directly accounts for 1.3% of the economy.


there are two years to go before next election, plenty time to recover
Trump is playing long game, or at least to 2020

if Pelosi surrenders her Federation millionaire donors will be unhappy, as well as party operatives who see the wall blocking future democrat voters.
but if she doesn't surrender thousands of government employees, many of them union and most of them democrat themselves, will be angry.
and now we have a bunch of deep-state functionaries threatened.
okay Nan, your move
edit on 17-1-2019 by ElGoobero because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Edumakated




Damn near 1 million people not working in government right now and the world has not stopped spinning. The sun rose and the moon shines bright.


Wait till you see the economic numbers for January/1st quarter.
White House More Than Doubling The Shutdown's Negative Impact On The Economy


Trump administration officials now say that the government shutdown is having more than twice the negative impact on the economy than they first estimated. Amazingly, but maybe not surprising, it seems the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors did not include contractors not being paid (and who probably won’t receive retroactive payments) or the ripple effect on the economy such as restaurant meals not being taken or movies seen or the greater personal impacts of not having money to buy food, pay rent or have to sell a car.


Kevin Hassett, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers...told media outlets on Tuesday that the shutdown should reduce economic growth by 0.13 percentage points for every week that it lasts vs. the 0.1 percentage points every two weeks it originally projected.
Forbes

Yeah, this is going to hurt like hell..

In the first quarter of 2018, the Federal government was directly responsible for $1.3 trillion of the economy’s $20 trillion (6.5% on an annualized basis). While only about 20% of the government is shut down, this portion directly accounts for 1.3% of the economy.


Unemployment is low, they can find other jobs...

Yes, short term numbers will be impacted, but we are all better off in the long term.... sometimes you have to just rip the band aid off and get it over with.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: ElGoobero

The federal workers who would support Pelosi are most likely blaming the shutdown on Trump. Just like the rest of the country is:
Majority of Americans blame Trump for the shutdownSource
It’s Week 4 Of The Shutdown. Americans Still Think Trump Is To Blame.
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A growing number of Americans blame Trump for shutdown: Reuters-Ipsos pollSourceAmericans already know whom to blame for a shutdownSource
... can keep doing this all day from every source available....
edit on 17-1-2019 by FilthyUSMonkey because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: TheElectricPriest
a reply to: Graysen

Man, I've never even heard of DJ Trump! Does he spin some sick s**t or what???


It's a yuge wall of sound.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: ElGoobero

The federal workers who would support Pelosi are most likely blaming the shutdown on Trump. Just like the rest of the country is:Majority of Americans blame Trump for the shutdownSource
It’s Week 4 Of The Shutdown. Americans Still Think Trump Is To Blame.
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A growing number of Americans blame Trump for shutdown: Reuters-Ipsos pollSourceAmericans already know whom to blame for a shutdownSource
... can keep doing this all day from every source available....


Majority of Americans are typically pretty ignorant to the inner workings of politics. It doesn't surprise me that Trump would get the blame. However, that does not change the need for border security or any of the other issues.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 11:34 AM
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I say no... I've heard this 5d chess excuse too many times. All of trump's flaws or odd behaviours are brushed away by this notion that it's part of a master plan. Such as QANoN's "trust the plan". Yet, nothing big unfolds. No QANON arrests are made or some 5-d chess move happens.

So countless times trump acts like a bafoon and you guys say it's part of a master plan that never happens.

So now trump can shut down the Government and take blame for it on national TV. Yet somehow you guys will play make believe and blame it on the evil democrats..



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: Graysen




A low-level example would be a district EPA official who refuses to issue a permit for a farmer to build an earthen dam on his property for the purpose of capturing rainwater, creating local wildlife habitat and restoring a wetland, since it would also provide water for the farmer's cattle. The EPA official cites agency guidelines from the Obama era, that were never US law and have been amended by the EPA since Trump took office so they now conform with state law. If the decision is appealed, it goes to the same official who has just denied the request.

In my country such an official would be called a jobsworth , someone who has little power but chooses to go above and beyond by being an officious bastard.
I guess the Deep State is where you see it.



posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: gortex

The deep-stater is more pointed; defying the CEO for the sake of the deep state group's agenda.

Like a spy agency subverting military action in Iraq, because THEY wanted to do the invasion, instead of letting the US army handle it. The agency can tell a bunch of low-level military police that "the army" needs them to torture Iraqi prisoners. Then the agency leaks proof of torture to the press, and tells the soldiers that they will commit treason if they name the agency or any agent who gave orders when the soldiers are tried for war crimes.

Thats the deep state at work



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: ElGoobero

The federal workers who would support Pelosi are most likely blaming the shutdown on Trump. Just like the rest of the country is:
Majority of Americans blame Trump for the shutdownSource
It’s Week 4 Of The Shutdown. Americans Still Think Trump Is To Blame.
Source
A growing number of Americans blame Trump for shutdown: Reuters-Ipsos pollSourceAmericans already know whom to blame for a shutdownSource
... can keep doing this all day from every source available....


of course Trump is going to be blamed (or given credit, depending on your point of view)
most of the affected aren't going to vote for him anyway
but Pelosi's Hawaiian vacation, and now Euro trip, are going to cost her. fed workers will wake up and realize they're being used, not helped.
of course the media will downplay this aspect as much as possible.



posted on Jan, 21 2019 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
A growing number of Americans blame Trump for shutdown

I blame Trump for the shutdown... doesn't mean I'm anti-Trump though.

Go Trump! Make it (the govt shutdown) permanent!




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