Eugene Stoner

Can anybody tell me whatever happened to Colonel Eugene Stoner, the father of the Stoner 'complete' weapon system. A 5.56mm mag or belt fed, fully automatic rifle - capable of being fired from shoulder, bipod or in the SF role when mounted on a tripod.

I only ask, because I have this 'thing' about the Stoner and have seen a few pics of Seals in Viet Nam using them, with large box mags (250 rds).

If anybody has info or pics and dare I ask, film clips, I will be eternally grateful.

Well, I don't think the government used it, but the Shrike is a belt/box fed upper for the AR/M4.

www.aresdefense.com...

Videos:
Part 1
Part 2 -- Probabaly want to watch this first.

Not sure if that was what you were looking for, but I would love to get my hands on one.

EDIT - You also might want to check this thread, this picture in particular shows some box-fed ARs.

[edit on 3/3/05 by para]

Nice finds, Para.

As for anyone using them, I've never seen a story of that happening but I'm not up on SEALS, so I'm not 100% sure.

Many thanx, you guys, for your imput.

Main pics are of AR15, AR 18 (Widdowmaker) AR21 (never heard of that, have you?), M16 and M16 dirivatives. But no Stoners on view.

Excellant video but weapon is basically an M16 (see bolt carrier assembly on Part 1) with the SAW feed tray, optics and a really naff forend pistol grip!

Not much control and boy!, it don't half eat a belt of 50!

Um dude, Stoner invented the M-16

Excellent thread on AR-15.com, what is that gun that kinda resembles the AK? I kinda like it, I am in love with AK-47's and the new AK-103's...i'm a sucker for the crappy 7.62x39mm rounds -blush-

i take 7.62x39 over 5.56 with a long shot.

Sure the 7.62X39 is superior to the 5.56 in range and retained energy due to its greater mass, the russians have a round that is much more comparable the 5.45 caliber...However if you want to compare apples to apples the NATO .30 cal (7.62X51) round is far superior to the 7.62X39

Sure the 7.62X39 is superior to the 5.56 in range and retained energy due

Affraid that isn't true, the range of the M43 (7.62x39) is about 300 meters compared to the M16's 5.56x45mm round's 500 meters range.

the russians have a round that is much more comparable the 5.45 caliber...

I believe you mean the 5.56mm round, Russia uses the 5.45x39mm round remember

However if you want to compare apples to apples the NATO .30 cal (7.62X51) round is far superior to the 7.62X39

the round that is generally know as the .30cal is 7.62x33mm which is inferior to the M43, however the .308 (7.62x51 like you meant) is ofcourse far superior while that round in turns is beaten by the 7.62x53R round even though it's much older and rimmed much like the .30cal IIRC.

LOL youre correcting me...I said what I meant and know what I said. The round YOU mean is the 7.62X54R

I know the 5.45 is russian...read better

the term 30 caliber relates ONLY to diameter of the round, the M-60 the M-1 Garand and the M-1 Carbine(YOUR 7.62X33 pistol round), the M-10 And the AK-47 being 51mm,63mm,*33mm,51mm and 39 mm in length respectively
ALL are 30 caliber

If I recall correctly, Eugene Stoner manufactured the orginal AR design for Armalite, (hence the AR designation, which stands for ARmalite, not Armalite Rifle or Assault Rifle as thought by many) and those pictures represent various evolutions of the design throughout his work with them.

So while they may not be labeled as Stoners, they are definatley representative his work. Currently I believe that KAC has the rights to the "Stoner Rifle" name and labels their SR-25s as such. I have no idea who had the rights or labeled their rifles that way during Vietnam, though.

Eugene Stoner died in 1997, one of the century's three great armorers. Below is a picture (pictures from Bob Tuley's site) of him, and below that is a picture of another somewhat well-known armorer; man who became close friends with Stoner in their later years. I'm sure I don't have to tell you who he is LOL!!

LOL youre correcting me...I said what I meant and know what I said. The round YOU mean is the 7.62X54R

the russians have a round that is much more comparable the 5.45 caliber

the russians have a round that is much more comparable the 5.45 caliber

the term 30 caliber relates ONLY to diameter of the round, the M-60 the M-1 Garand and the M-1 Carbine(YOUR 7.62X33 pistol round), the M-10 And the AK-47 being 51mm,63mm,*33mm,51mm and 39 mm in length respectively
ALL are 30 caliber

I said a sentence in the quote in itallics and highlighted the part bold where you stated that the Russians have a round COMPARABLE TO THE 5.45x39mm round so I was just correcting you there, I know you meant the 556er...

www.world.guns.ru...

check this site, you are right with the 7.62x54, you don't have to act so defensive, just correcting you

.30cal is the designation for the 7.62x33 which is NOT a pistol round, it was used in the M1 Garand...as you might know, it does have a round nose though like a pistol round.

.308 is what the 7.62x51mm NATO round is referred to, so .308caliber, technically it would probably fit the .30cal discription, but it's not very accurate since it can cause confusion.

Just imagine buying your self a gun as a novice gun owner and it said: .30cal while it was actually an AK round, you get some awkward predicaments don't you think?

That's all i'm saying...as for a 7.62mm pistol round, that's the Tokarev TT 7.62x25mm round...or maybe 7.63mm mauser

I'm not a novice and neither are you, but I just like to correct people sometimes so others understand it beter

[edit on 7/3/2005 by GrOuNd_ZeRo]