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Steve King Calls His Removal “Unprecedented Assault “ of Freedom of Speech.

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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
Here's what he said in context on the first issue. Was he right? Was he wrong?



Here he is explaining his most recent gaffe and denouncing the very hateful ideologies his enemies still accuse him, without evidence, of believing in.



Will they listen to him? No. Will they give him the benefit of the doubt? No. Will they let a NYT hit piece dictate what they should think? Yes.
edit on 16-1-2019 by Propagandalf because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Do those stats not prove his point? Ain't no white peeps in East Street Louis neither so is that racist? Chinese peeps even have their own parts of the city..... Chinatown anyone? The truth hurts sometimes. Different colour peeps prefer their own Color for the most part. I don't see it as racist....just a tribal thing.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Which ones are the best and what qualities makes them the best? I mean it must be an easy question to give such a flippant answer.

Objectively, India and China have existed far longer than any other culture on the planet. Not to mention their countless contributions to every aspect of life. That would seemingly make them the best cultures out there.

Should we strive to be more like them?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: narrator


Are you saying all cultures are equal? The Sentinelese culture is not equal to American culture, mister "its just common sense". Not only in the sense of size, and how well it flourishes... but the fact that we are FAR more diverse and span multipule cultures. (which is a BETTER thing than all else, says the left, right? right? better. right?).


Perhaps you are trying to say all people are equal under the eyes of our creator, because that would be true.


"Mixing cultures will not lead to a higher quality of life, but a lower one" - King

So by your own reasoning with this quote from you: "we are far more diverse and span multiple cultures, which is a BETTER thing...", you disagree with King. So we are in agreement that he was in the wrong.

Cultures, in my opinion, aren't better or worse, just different. You can be in equal standing and still be very different. My 85 year old grandmother and my 18 year old nephew are incredibly different, but equal in the eyes of the law, etc.
That same thing can be extrapolated to groups of people. In my opinion, the culture(s) of the US are not any "better" than cultures anywhere else. Just different. "Better" is an entirely objective argument, so I view it as pointless.

"In the eyes of the creator" isn't really relevant to this discussion, but I don't believe in a creator, so I disagree with that assessment. People are equal, cultures are equal, and a creator has nothing to do with it.


So you think cultures that abuse women and gays are equal? What about a culture that doesnt have a problem with fraud and stealing property? Or a culture that is ok with polygamy? Or a culture that eats dogs?



How about cannibals? There's some ethnic food diversity. Is that OK? When they move to the US is it racist to bring that up?


Cannibalism has nothing to do with race, so no, it wouldn't be racist. It's also against the laws of the country, so wouldn't be tolerated or integrated.

However, the notion of mixing cultures means taking bits and pieces of one culture and mixing it within another. You don't have to take every single piece of a culture in order to mix with them. Obviously, cannibalism wouldn't fly here in the US. Likewise, if we were to immigrate to a cannibalistic society, Christianity (or veganism, or whatever cultural aspect you want to use) wouldn't fly there. So you mix.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Propagandalf

Which ones are the best and what qualities makes them the best? I mean it must be an easy question to give such a flippant answer.

Objectively, India and China have existed far longer than any other culture on the planet. Not to mention their countless contributions to every aspect of life. That would seemingly make them the best cultures out there.

Should we strive to be more like them?


I'm interested in their answer, and would just like to add: Nordic countries have better health, better happiness levels, better wealth distribution, etc. Should we strive to be more like them as well?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: narrator
Someone has to say the same point that comes up every time there's a free speech thread, so I'll go ahead and do it before it gets lost in the thread:

He's free to say whatever wants, but he isn't free from the consequences of what he says.

I mean, read those quotes in the OP, objectively, and then say that he should still be heading a subcommittee on the Constitution and Civil Justice. He's quoted saying things that go directly against those ideals.

He's also free to believe whatever he wants, but again, not free from the consequences. Since he believes that not all cultures are equal (as he's been quoted as saying), he shouldn't be in charge of a civil justice committee.

It's just common sense.


Do you think the culture of a third world country is equal to the culture of a civilized country? Do you think China's culture is equal to America's culture?


Yes, I do. To both questions. There is no such thing as a superior culture, therefore, all are equal. Different, sure. But no better/worse.

As Xcalibur said, how do you judge a culture's superiority? I don't view cultures are superior or inferior, just "different". Obviously you do though, so...how do you judge a culture's superiority? In almost all measurable ways, the United States is NOT the superior culture on Earth. Longevity, happiness, wealth, peace, education, infant mortality, disease, etc etc etc. The only 2 measurable things we are at the top of the list are: incarceration rates and defense budget.


That makes two people now that have related equal culture to superior/inferior culture.

Equal - being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.
a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality.
be the same as in number or amount.


Once again, saying a culture isn't equal does not say that a culture is inferior. As Americans, we have equal rights. EQUAL RIGHTS. Beyond that, nobody is equal. If we were all equal, you would be at the gym bench pressing 450 pounds ten times right after your 5'2" 105 lb girlfriend who was only there for the cardio.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Propagandalf

Which ones are the best and what qualities makes them the best? I mean it must be an easy question to give such a flippant answer.

Objectively, India and China have existed far longer than any other culture on the planet. Not to mention their countless contributions to every aspect of life. That would seemingly make them the best cultures out there.

Should we strive to be more like them?


Western culture is better than Islamic culture, for instance.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
There is a fine line with freedom of speech but we also don't want White Nationalists, Neo Nazis or racists as our leaders. We literally had a couple of wars over this. With the South over slavery and ww2 against Nazi's. Look it up. Also take some time and google things King has done and said and who he supports.


I don't believe you can equate White Nationalists, Neo Nazis or racists with each other. Clearly they are all equal in some people's mind but that is part of the problem. They are used interchangeably. Further, many other groups have displayed considerable racism but that always seems to be glossed over. Extremists exist in every major group, not just white people.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: UKTruth

So you disagree that everyone should be equal under law? Who do you think should be considered superior? Who do you think should be considered inferior? I'm interested to know your hierarchy.


You didn't say equal under the law.

Equal rights and application of the law is sensible.
But human beings are not equal. Some are superior to others in a multitude of ways.
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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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That was my entire point. Equal in the eyes of the law. Their opinion is no better or worse than ours, just different. Physically, obviously there are differences/inequalities. That does not infer superiority or inferiority though, which is what I've been saying the entire time.
What was your point, to agree with me?


ETA: Reply to LSU2018, no idea why that didn't come up when I clicked "quote"
edit on 16-1-2019 by narrator because: eta



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Indeed....a freshman mistake---Talking to the NYT reporter for 56 minutes without taping it.

When are people going to figure out that the NYT is not what nor who it used to be in the old days. If you haven't figured it out by now, then you're blind or just plain okay with their tactics.

The NYT took snippets out of context, as they are want to do all the time, and created a particular narrative, hyped it, hyped it some more, then opined and opined and opined, then spread their # everywhere...and voila!



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: SKEPTEK

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: narrator
Someone has to say the same point that comes up every time there's a free speech thread, so I'll go ahead and do it before it gets lost in the thread:

He's free to say whatever wants, but he isn't free from the consequences of what he says.

I mean, read those quotes in the OP, objectively, and then say that he should still be heading a subcommittee on the Constitution and Civil Justice. He's quoted saying things that go directly against those ideals.

He's also free to believe whatever he wants, but again, not free from the consequences. Since he believes that not all cultures are equal (as he's been quoted as saying), he shouldn't be in charge of a civil justice committee.

It's just common sense.


Do you think the culture of a third world country is equal to the culture of a civilized country? Do you think China's culture is equal to America's culture?


If these third world people and their cultures were the equal of the West, they wouldn't be trying to come here.

....And all blame and responsibility for their situations will be projected onto the White man.


As is typical. Lefties are so predictable you can name their next move with the simplest of thought. It's so simple you don't even have to think about it. The only challenge they pose is figuring out how to get around their election fraud each year.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: narrator
That was my entire point. Equal in the eyes of the law. Their opinion is no better or worse than ours, just different. Physically, obviously there are differences/inequalities. That does not infer superiority or inferiority though, which is what I've been saying the entire time.
What was your point, to agree with me?


ETA: Reply to LSU2018, no idea why that didn't come up when I clicked "quote"


Being physically more capable than another person does absolutely mean superiority...physical superiority. Why try to sugar coat it? Are the words superior and inferior somehow bad?

Some human beings are superior to others, it's that simple.

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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: UKTruth

So you disagree that everyone should be equal under law? Who do you think should be considered superior? Who do you think should be considered inferior? I'm interested to know your hierarchy.


You didn't say equal under the law.

Equal rights and application of the law is sensible.
But human beings are not equal. Some are superior to others in a multitude of ways.


I disagree. For everything that one human is better than another at (example, one person can run a mile faster than another), that person is better than the first (the slower runner is better at swimming).

Therefore, overall superiority/inferiority isn't a thing. Different, sure. But unless you say precisely what topic/event you mean when you compare superiority, the actual meaning goes away and just boils down to...different. Equal, but different.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Using what metric?

Technologically speaking Western culture wouldn't exist without Islamic culture. I mean the whole basis of technology is ultimately math and the vast majority of our understanding of mathematics comes from the Islamic culture.

Of course that can't possibly be true because whenever you combine two cultures it makes things worse.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: underwerks
Anyone who wonders out loud why the words “white supremecist” became offensive shouldn’t hold any position in government.

Despite what our reality-challenged right wingers here believe, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. He wasn’t stopped from saying what he said, and no one is trying to. As a matter of fact it was reported widely. So his right to say what he wants hasn’t been infringed.

What he wasn’t free to do is to be exempt from the consequences of what he said. And that has nothing to do with his first amendment rights being violated. That’s exactly how things are supposed to work.

All the “free speech” people here are doing is being angry because someone got called out for their idiotic small minded racist statements. Which in turn makes me think that either they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how our rights work or they agree with this ancient POS.

Take your pick.


Dude, you live on the west coast. What do you know about reality?


I know that going by your and others comments, you seem to be severely divorced from it.

And that’s not a subjective opinion.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Actually I did. The post you originally responded to specified equality under law.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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Interesting to see people saying mixing cultures doesn’t work. I live in Broward county where as of the 2010 consensus, I (white) am the minority at 42.5% of the population. I moved here from New England because after experiencing the culture mix of larger cities (NYC, Boston and Ft Lauderdale) and moving to smaller areas (Maine, where I grew up) I realized I don’t enjoy being surrounded by one culture. There’s a small-mindedness that comes along with that.

While the politicians here are idiots (pretty sure Snipes was born and raised in America) the population seems to have mixed more than well. There’s a reason why people want to vacation here and the weather and beaches are just a part of it.
The food down here is incredible and there’s so much variation in it, the people you meet generally have an interesting story to tell about their life experiences and there’s a lot of education that can come from that.

I’m the only white guy at my job. I work with a Haitian dude and a couple Cuban guys, both who have taught me things about my job I never would have learned had it not beenfor their experiences, in and out of our field. I have Brazilians to thank for teaching me my work ethic (though those particular guys were abusing our system which is why I’m not for open borders to all).

I wonder if those doubting a mixed culture’s success have actually been outside of their own small towns?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: narrator
a reply to: Propagandalf

That isn't an argument for censorship. It's common sense. Actions (including the act of speaking) have consequences.

Example: Tell a cop you plan to bomb a building. That's just freedom of speech, right? By your logic, you shouldn't be investigated by the police in that scenario, because you're allowed to say whatever you want with zero consequences.



That's a terroristic threat.


It's still speech. Why should they be punished for saying it, it's just speech? You're all for freedom of speech, right? People shouldn't have any consequences for saying anything, right?


You're putting words in my mouth.

There's a major difference in saying mixed cultures bring down the quality of life and saying you're gonna bomb the police station. If Madonna was a Republican and she made her comments about blowing up the White House in November 2008, she would have been jailed for a terroristic threat. I have no doubt about that.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Denounce this fool and then we can talk.
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