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Steve King Calls His Removal “Unprecedented Assault “ of Freedom of Speech.

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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: amazing
There is a fine line with freedom of speech but we also don't want White Nationalists, Neo Nazis or racists as our leaders. We literally had a couple of wars over this. With the South over slavery and ww2 against Nazi's. Look it up. Also take some time and google things King has done and said and who he supports.


You forgot the main factor about why the South went to war since Lincoln couldn't have cared less about slaves. They didn't want a tyrannical government making all the rules for them. I can see the same thing happening in the near future as this country's politics have gotten so polarized.


The main factor in the civil war was slavery though.




posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Drucifer


I very much fail to see how big cities with mixed cultures aren’t complete proof that mixed cultures work


We've always been known as the melting pot.

Back in the day, that meant the mixing of cultures, races, creeds, ideology, and anything else you could use to describe (not define) a person.

Now I think we're the melting pot of lead, to be turned into freedom delivery sabots.


A popular myth unfortunately taught in our school systems by brainwashed social Marxists. The phrase was the name of a play. "The Melting Pot (play)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Melting Pot is a play by Israel Zangwill, first staged in 1908. It depicts the life of a Russian Jewish immigrant family, the Quixanos."

There was no melting pot before then. The US was 90% white until 1970. You could say it was a melting pot of white, European peoples.


Should America not be a melting pot of various cultures and peoples?

If not, why?


Maybe it should but let's be honest about history. I know that's problematic since history is not taught much anymore. Not even "social studies" propaganda. People today are brought up believing the founding fathers designed a society where everyone was equal and all races and people were encouraged. Then they are shocked when they learn the founders were slave owners. They think the poem on the statue of liberty is a law. They don't realize women only got the vote about 100 years ago.


Well, to be fair, everything you just said paints American culture in a bad light. Wouldn't it be better for us to mix in some other cultures?


We already have. American culture was a product of it's time. As we are now. It led to what we have today. You can badmouth it but most of the world thinks highly of our achievements. I don't believe in open borders that's for sure. We don't need any Kalergi plan for America.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 05:36 PM
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He's right in at least one regard: If culture A believes that arranged underage marriages and all the stuff that comes with it is abhorrent as a society, and culture B doesn't, then they cannot coexist.

Not entirely sure why that's white nationalism/supremacy.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

Mormons believed that polygamy was divinely acceptable. American culture said otherwise. So much so that the US military chased them across country.

Now Mormons are readily accepted into American culture. The GOP even ran one as their Presidential candidate in 2012.

So explain to me again why it's impossible for cultures that have different morals to ultimately coexist.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Propagandalf

Which ones are the best and what qualities makes them the best? I mean it must be an easy question to give such a flippant answer.

Objectively, India and China have existed far longer than any other culture on the planet. Not to mention their countless contributions to every aspect of life. That would seemingly make them the best cultures out there.

Should we strive to be more like them?


I'm interested in their answer, and would just like to add: Nordic countries have better health, better happiness levels, better wealth distribution, etc. Should we strive to be more like them as well?


Should we strive for socialism like a country with 8,000,000 citizens which almost all who are working age have a job and put into the honey pot? No, because we have a population of over 330 million and there are too many that won't to sit at home and take from the money pot so those of us with a job are left fending for our families and ourselves.


Not too mention Norway is whiter than minute rice. So much for diversity...



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: narrator


Are you saying all cultures are equal? The Sentinelese culture is not equal to American culture, mister "its just common sense". Not only in the sense of size, and how well it flourishes... but the fact that we are FAR more diverse and span multipule cultures. (which is a BETTER thing than all else, says the left, right? right? better. right?).


Perhaps you are trying to say all people are equal under the eyes of our creator, because that would be true.


"Mixing cultures will not lead to a higher quality of life, but a lower one" - King

So by your own reasoning with this quote from you: "we are far more diverse and span multiple cultures, which is a BETTER thing...", you disagree with King. So we are in agreement that he was in the wrong.

Cultures, in my opinion, aren't better or worse, just different. You can be in equal standing and still be very different. My 85 year old grandmother and my 18 year old nephew are incredibly different, but equal in the eyes of the law, etc.
That same thing can be extrapolated to groups of people. In my opinion, the culture(s) of the US are not any "better" than cultures anywhere else. Just different. "Better" is an entirely objective argument, so I view it as pointless.

"In the eyes of the creator" isn't really relevant to this discussion, but I don't believe in a creator, so I disagree with that assessment. People are equal, cultures are equal, and a creator has nothing to do with it.


All King was saying is that not all cultures are compatible with western society. It isn't in our best interest to import those cultures if they aren't able to assimilate to our norms.

While I may like some things in Muslim culture such as food, I dont necessarily want to import female circumscion or honor killings either.

Immigration is a two way street. I want to immigrants but I ask that those immigrants want to be Americans and are compatible with our society. This is common sense.


That is not what he was saying, that's what you want him to have meant. He's directly quoted as saying that mixing cultures will lower the quality of life. Whatever you interpret that to mean has no bearing on this discussion, his direct quote is not what you're saying he meant. If you have a quote of him saying that, then by all means, post it. Until then, I'll go with the obvious explanation of his quote.

It is common sense to want immigrants to adhere to American cultural norms. However, there are SO many different American cultures, it's hard to pinpoint which one to use. Unless you mean "your" culture, which isn't exactly fair to everyone else.

America (post-European takeover) is a hodgepodge of hundreds of different cultures, and we should continue to have that be one of the shining lights of our country. Everyone is welcome.


How does mixing a culture lead to a higher quality of life? I'm dying to know. Say, for example, a group of Somalians come here. How does mixing with their culture lead to a higher quality of life for any American?


-Somali food is delicious.
-Somali weddings are beautiful, and aren't just looked at as a coming together of two people, but a coming together of two families.
-Somali people are well known for having a strong work ethic, and for being self-employed, bringing more small businesses into towns, stimulating the economy.
-Somali art, especially poetry, is world-renowned.
For starters.

I used to live in a neighborhood with a lot of Somali immigrants, and every single one I met in the 6 years I lived there were incredibly nice, hospitable, and hard working.

Why WOULDN'T we benefit from Somali's mixing their culture with ours?


Oh I don't know, because lawlessness is also a big part of their culture?


The U.S. government recommends U.S. citizens avoid travel to Somalia.

Violent crime, including assassinations, murder, kidnapping, and armed robbery, is common throughout Somalia, including in Mogadishu.

Terrorist and criminal elements continue to target foreigners and local aid workers in Somalia.

Other Areas of Concern

A strong familiarity with Somalia and / or extensive prior travel to the region does not reduce travel risk. U.S. citizens considering travel to Somalia, including Somaliland and Puntland, are advised to obtain kidnap and recovery insurance, as well as medical evacuation insurance, prior to travel. Inter-clan, inter-factional, and criminal feuding can flare up with little/no warning.


How many Somalis lived in your neighborhood, and don't try to beat around the bush or lie and say most of the people were Somali.


It's a big part of the COUNTRY, not their culture. Different things. Why do you think there are so many Somali refugees, immigrants, etc? Because they're fleeing their country, since what is going on there goes against the beliefs of their culture.

I have no idea of an exact number, I never did a door-to-door poll about the culture held in each household. How would I know an exact number? I was living in Denver at the time. The closest number I could give you is "dozens".


Man, I'm with you in pretty much everything you've said in this thread, however, you and I have had VERY different experiences with Somalians in our country. I'm from Lewiston, ME. Google/Bing/Whatever "Lewiston Maine Somali" and see what the majority of the stories are about. And that's AFTER the city/state has done everything possible to keep negative press away from the situation. I certainly don't have an agenda with this, read my previous posts in this thread and I think that's quite clear.

I've lost one childhood friend to them and that's not hyperbole or exaggeration, he was beaten to death with bats and rocks by aprox 30 Somalians. www.usnews.com...





edit on 16-1-2019 by Drucifer because: can't spell sometimes



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Mormons believed that polygamy was divinely acceptable. American culture said otherwise. So much so that the US military chased them across country.

Now Mormons are readily accepted into American culture. The GOP even ran one as their Presidential candidate in 2012.

So explain to me again why it's impossible for cultures that have different morals to ultimately coexist.


Now that gay marriage has destroyed the traditional definition of marriage, who's to say the courts won't allow polygamy? If they love each other enough to make the commitment,



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: toms54

Honestly I don't understand why polygamy is illegal. If multiple consenting adults have no problem spending their lives together then why should the government prevent that?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Maybe no one has taken it to court lately. I'm sure if they were willing to appeal to the Supreme court, it would work. The ACLU might do it.

I saw a video about 9 months ago where 4 people all married each other. They must have done each marriage separately but who knows? They say you can be authorized to marry people by being ordained on the internet. As long as it isn't challenged, the marriage stands. I really don't know how it works.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: SingswithChickens1

originally posted by: projectvxn
This is a post-free speech world because sensitive little bitches in the Democrat party and its liberal base have ZERO emotional coping mechanisms.

Why blame democrats when republicans stripped him of power?



Because they created a situation where no one can speak for fear of breaking all the god damned eggshells they left strew about all over the place.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254




If King were up for jury duty and the accused in the case was a minority, based on his documented comments, do you think he would/should be allowed to serve on that jury?


What did he say that was racist?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: whargoul




Dude got kicked from his committees for being a racist @hole. Who stopped his speech? He had and still has free speech.


Show me the racist comments.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion




Wait a second. He was spouting racist rhetoric but it's the lefts fault when he has to face the consequences for his own brainchild?


Calling it racist doesn't make it racist.
SHOW ME WHERE THE RACISM IS.

So far all I see is a white guy being accused of having an opinion while being white. A little TOO white.



Sure thing! No whiny rightwing weakling stumbling upon his own crap, it's the lefts fault! Guess they've extracted his brain and made him drunk enough to post this in the first place! And Soros paid for this character assassination.


This statement is predicated on the accuracy of the statement made above.

These days being honest and telling the truth = "racist."
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posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
Because the KKK endorses something you say, does that make you a White Nationalist or racist?


Apparently it doesn't if you're Lyndon Baines Johnson, Robert Byrd, Harry Truman, or David Duke prior to 1988...



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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This is probably not the end of it. The Democrats are going to try and cripple the GOP as much as possible for their ends. It had nothing to do with caring about people or they would censure Joe Biden for touching young girls at political events, and for his odd depiction of the former Potus as “articulate” .....



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I can lead a horse to the water, but I can't make it drink.

You think your "culture" is somewhat superior but yet you expect others (from different cultures) to do the legwork for you? You can't even come up with a take that explains how this can't be racism?

Oh, the irony!





These days being honest and telling the truth = "racist."


He can still be a honest asshat on his own time, right? Which truth is it that you found, and where is the body of research in support of said truth?



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion




You think your "culture" is somewhat superior but yet you expect others (from different cultures) to do the legwork for you?


Please quote where I said that.




You can't even come up with a take that explains how this can't be racism?


Culture and race are not the same things. Culture is perfectly fine to criticize. We do so all the time, in some cases egregiously so. You are not immune from this either. You are not special or better than me.

Google Dictionary:

cul·ture
/ˈkəlCHər/Submit
noun
1.
the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.
"20th century popular culture"
synonyms: the arts, the humanities; More
2.
the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
"Caribbean culture"
synonyms: civilization, society, way of life, lifestyle;





I can lead a horse to the water, but I can't make it drink.


I don't drink from poisoned wells.
edit on 16 1 19 by projectvxn because: grammar and spelling.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: projectvxn

I can lead a horse to the water, but I can't make it drink.

You think your "culture" is somewhat superior but yet you expect others (from different cultures) to do the legwork for you? You can't even come up with a take that explains how this can't be racism?

Oh, the irony!





These days being honest and telling the truth = "racist."


He can still be a honest asshat on his own time, right? Which truth is it that you found, and where is the body of research in support of said truth?
What’ irony is an uppity CNN correspondent berating a black guy for white privelege because she couldn’t see his face.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

You expect me to explain why his remarks are racist, but you can't lay down why you think they are not? Supreme, supreme!

However. Rambling incoherent stuff to blame multicultural exchange for everything bad is the usual myth we're used to see in combination with Soros and cultural marxism though. Why should we call this a criticism when the term platitudes would apply as well?
A broad brush like that isn't exactly the tool of choice for a more detailed and poignant piece, is it? Why are you even trying to talk about his stream of hot air as if it was something factual, or even some revelation of truth? It's an opinion, and identity politics play a part in catering to his audience/ people like yourself. Stop kidding yourself, you already shared 'his' opinion before you even knew he existed. And that's what I mean with identity politics in this context.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion




You expect me to explain why his remarks are racist, but you can't lay down why you think they are not?


I just did so in the post you're replying to.

I don't expect you to do anything.




you already shared 'his' opinion before you even knew he existed.


I read the quotes and didn't find the hysterical worldview you keep telling me is right there.

How much woke juice have you sucked down?

You even accused me of claiming some cultural supremacy. It's hilarious how profoundly ignorant you are to make such an accusation.




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